Re: [Harp-L] swingin 16ths

[Michael Rubin <michaelrubinharmonica@xxxxxxxxx>]

I call my timing method "caveman timing" , I get the basic concept
intellectually and then let my feeling create the specifics.
Michael Rubin
michaelrubinharmonica.com


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Michael Rubin <
michaelrubinharmonica@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Good point Winslow.  Notice I said "Most often"  and "a little after".  I
> once recorded with a Berklee graduate.  He was extremely specific as to
> when I should swing, wanted different types of swing in the same verse and
> had names for the different types of swing that he expected I would know.
> Michael Rubin
> michaelrubinharmonica.com
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Winslow Yerxa <winslowyerxa@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> Swing is not the same as shuffle.
>>
>> Shuffles always divide the beat into 3, and then presents mostly the
>> first and third notes of the triplet, per Michael's statement quoted below.
>>
>> Swing is not so rigid. Charles Mingus expressed it best when he
>> characterized swing as two notes in the same beat, with the second note
>> being someplace later than halfway, but flexible in its location. Nailing
>> it down any further is too rigid and frequently wrong.
>>
>> Listen to two different soloists on the same tune. Often they will place
>> that second note in a beat very differently, anywhere from just a hair past
>> the 50% mark to something that's almost a dotted8th/16th, with the second
>> note somewhere around the 85% mark.
>>
>> One of the mistakes inexperienced jazz players make is to assume that
>> swing = shuffle, resulting in a wishy-washy rhythmic expression.
>>
>> Winslow Yerxa
>> President, SPAH, the Society for the Preservation and Advancement of the
>> Harmonica
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>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>  From: Michael Rubin <michaelrubinharmonica@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: Arthur Jennings <timeistight@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Cc: Harp-L <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 11:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Harp-L] swingin 16ths
>>
>>
>> I think of a beat as 100 points.
>>
>> <snip>
>> Most often, swung eighth notes have the  upbeat at 66%.
>>
>> 66% divided by 2 is 33%.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
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