Re: [Harp-L] swingin 16ths

[Michael Rubin <michaelrubinharmonica@xxxxxxxxx>]

Good point Winslow.  Notice I said "Most often"  and "a little after".  I
once recorded with a Berklee graduate.  He was extremely specific as to
when I should swing, wanted different types of swing in the same verse and
had names for the different types of swing that he expected I would know.
Michael Rubin
michaelrubinharmonica.com


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Winslow Yerxa <winslowyerxa@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> Swing is not the same as shuffle.
>
> Shuffles always divide the beat into 3, and then presents mostly the first
> and third notes of the triplet, per Michael's statement quoted below.
>
> Swing is not so rigid. Charles Mingus expressed it best when he
> characterized swing as two notes in the same beat, with the second note
> being someplace later than halfway, but flexible in its location. Nailing
> it down any further is too rigid and frequently wrong.
>
> Listen to two different soloists on the same tune. Often they will place
> that second note in a beat very differently, anywhere from just a hair past
> the 50% mark to something that's almost a dotted8th/16th, with the second
> note somewhere around the 85% mark.
>
> One of the mistakes inexperienced jazz players make is to assume that
> swing = shuffle, resulting in a wishy-washy rhythmic expression.
>
> Winslow Yerxa
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>
> ________________________________
>  From: Michael Rubin <michaelrubinharmonica@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: Arthur Jennings <timeistight@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: Harp-L <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 11:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [Harp-L] swingin 16ths
>
>
> I think of a beat as 100 points.
>
> <snip>
> Most often, swung eighth notes have the  upbeat at 66%.
>
> 66% divided by 2 is 33%.
>
> <snip>
>