Re: [Harp-L] swingin 16ths

[Winslow Yerxa <winslowyerxa@xxxxxxxxx>]

Good point, Jerome

I remember hearing Stuff Smith take a violin solo on a Nat Cole record. He played nothing but quarter notes on the beat, and it swung like hell!

I've heard Louis Armstrong do the same thing. That famous video of him singing and playing Dinah live in Copnhage in 1930-something has some examples of that.

Winslow
 
Winslow Yerxa
President, SPAH, the Society for the Preservation and Advancement of the Harmonica
Producer, the Spring 2014 Harmonica Collective
Author, Harmonica For Dummies, ISBN 978-0-470-33729-5
            Harmonica Basics For Dummies, ASIN B005KIYPFS
            Blues Harmonica For Dummies, ISBN 978-1-1182-5269-7
Resident Expert, bluesharmonica.com
Instructor, Jazzschool for Music Study and Performance


________________________________
 From: JersiMuse <jersimuse@xxxxxxxxx>
To: 'Boris Plotnikov' <ploboris@xxxxxxxxx>; 'Music Cal' <macaroni9999@xxxxxxxxx>; harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 12:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Harp-L] swingin 16ths
 

Honestly, I'd be surprised if you could get any sense of swing that way.
In my (very) humble opinion, the only thing that creates swing is where you
put the accents.
Listen to actual jazz players : they swing, whereas most of them play
straight 8ths (and 16ths).
Once you got the right accents, you can begin to play more laid back. If you
do the other way around (like a lot of harp players do, I have to admit),
you'll only have longer notes on the beat, but that does not create any kind
of swing (to my opinion, this is a sort of urban legend).
Listen to Charlie Parker (just an example), slow down his 16ths, and you'll
hear that he puts his accents exactly the same way he does on 8ths.
Nothing changes but the celerity. I guess that's why he is a master :-)

Regards,

Jerome Peyrelevade
www.youtube.com/JersiMuse



-----Message d'origine-----
De : harp-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:harp-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] De la part
de Boris Plotnikov
Envoyé : jeudi 3 avril 2014 08:50
À : Music Cal; harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Objet : Re: [Harp-L] swingin 16ths

First step to swinging 16th is practicing sextoles, 6 notes per one quarter.
Get a rather slow tempo (around 60-80) and play at least some notes in
sextoles, 1) by tonguing (ta-ki-ta-ta-ki-ta) or just 2) by changing notes
(e.g. cycle 4d 5b 5d 4d 5b 5d) or mix 3) 4d 4d 5b 5b 5d 5d or 4) roll 4d 4db
3d 4d 4db 3d. Feel the pulse, then omit 2-nd note and 4th note (make 1st and
3rd note longer) and you'll get swinging 16th.


2014-04-03 9:29 GMT+04:00 Music Cal <macaroni9999@xxxxxxxxx>:

> So I am guessing most players on this list know how to swing 8th notes 
> to get the lilting laid back feeling so characteristic of jazz. But 
> how do you (as in you) swing 16th notes? One could just "double time" 
> the feel of the 8th note swing but IMO the result does not lilt. Or 
> one could double time the eighth note feel for every other pair of 
> 16th notes - has a better lilt IMO. So how do you do it? Or do you just
play 16th notes straight.
>



--
Thanks, Boris Plotnikov
http://borisplotnikov.ru