Re: [Harp-L] swingin 16ths

[Arthur Jennings <timeistight@xxxxxxxxx>]

I think a lot of Funk music is played with swung sixteenths. I don't think
it uses swung eights, though.


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Winslow Yerxa <winslowyerxa@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> Good point, Jerome
>
> I remember hearing Stuff Smith take a violin solo on a Nat Cole record. He
> played nothing but quarter notes on the beat, and it swung like hell!
>
> I've heard Louis Armstrong do the same thing. That famous video of him
> singing and playing Dinah live in Copnhage in 1930-something has some
> examples of that.
>
> Winslow
>
> Winslow Yerxa
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> ________________________________
>  From: JersiMuse <jersimuse@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: 'Boris Plotnikov' <ploboris@xxxxxxxxx>; 'Music Cal' <
> macaroni9999@xxxxxxxxx>; harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 12:42 AM
> Subject: RE: [Harp-L] swingin 16ths
>
>
> Honestly, I'd be surprised if you could get any sense of swing that way.
> In my (very) humble opinion, the only thing that creates swing is where you
> put the accents.
> Listen to actual jazz players : they swing, whereas most of them play
> straight 8ths (and 16ths).
> Once you got the right accents, you can begin to play more laid back. If
> you
> do the other way around (like a lot of harp players do, I have to admit),
> you'll only have longer notes on the beat, but that does not create any
> kind
> of swing (to my opinion, this is a sort of urban legend).
> Listen to Charlie Parker (just an example), slow down his 16ths, and you'll
> hear that he puts his accents exactly the same way he does on 8ths.
> Nothing changes but the celerity. I guess that's why he is a master :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerome Peyrelevade
> www.youtube.com/JersiMuse
>
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : harp-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:harp-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] De la
> part
> de Boris Plotnikov
> Envoyé : jeudi 3 avril 2014 08:50
> À : Music Cal; harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
> Objet : Re: [Harp-L] swingin 16ths
>
> First step to swinging 16th is practicing sextoles, 6 notes per one
> quarter.
> Get a rather slow tempo (around 60-80) and play at least some notes in
> sextoles, 1) by tonguing (ta-ki-ta-ta-ki-ta) or just 2) by changing notes
> (e.g. cycle 4d 5b 5d 4d 5b 5d) or mix 3) 4d 4d 5b 5b 5d 5d or 4) roll 4d
> 4db
> 3d 4d 4db 3d. Feel the pulse, then omit 2-nd note and 4th note (make 1st
> and
> 3rd note longer) and you'll get swinging 16th.
>
>
> 2014-04-03 9:29 GMT+04:00 Music Cal <macaroni9999@xxxxxxxxx>:
>
> > So I am guessing most players on this list know how to swing 8th notes
> > to get the lilting laid back feeling so characteristic of jazz. But
> > how do you (as in you) swing 16th notes? One could just "double time"
> > the feel of the 8th note swing but IMO the result does not lilt. Or
> > one could double time the eighth note feel for every other pair of
> > 16th notes - has a better lilt IMO. So how do you do it? Or do you just
> play 16th notes straight.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks, Boris Plotnikov
> http://borisplotnikov.ru
>



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