[Harp-L] Stevie Wonder FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE

[George Miklas]

This is a good definition of “Diatonic” that directly answers your question.

“Based on or derivable from an octave of seven notes in a particular
configuration...

A seven-note scale is said to be diatonic when its octave span is filled by
five tones and two semitones...

The natural minor scale and the church modes (see Mode) are also diatonic.

An interval is said to be diatonic if it is available within a diatonic
scale. “

Bibliography
“Diatonic.” Grove Music Online. Oxford University Press. Accessed September
20, 2020.
https://www.oxfordmusiconline.com/grovemusic/view/10.1093/gmo/9781561592630.001.0001/omo-9781561592630-e-0000007727

On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 10:41 AM Michael Rubin <
michaelrubinharmonica at xxxxx> wrote:

> George,
> Does the word diatonic refer to only major scales or can it be applied to
> any type of scale?
> Michael
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 9:39 AM Michael Rubin <
> michaelrubinharmonica at xxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Thanks George!  I wonder why I was taught otherwise.
>> Michael
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 9:37 AM Slim Heilpern <slim at xxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, seems like we're getting into the weeds here.  I'll just mention
>>> that the only thing that is at all trill-like in that solo is the riff over
>>> the C#9(#11) chord, where both "trill" notes (G and G#) are in the scale
>>> one would normally play over that chord. I think you can call it a trill,
>>> but if not, I stand corrected.
>>>
>>> - Slim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2020, at 7:23 AM, George Miklas <harmonicat at xxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> George Miklas
>>> 10:22 AM (0 minutes ago)
>>> to Michael
>>> Michael and others... RE: trills,  namely, Baroque trills in the
>>> traditional sense.
>>>
>>> Lets set some ground rules.....
>>> 1.) a trill is diatonic
>>> 2.) trills are approached from above the note - this creates the musical
>>> effect of "dissonance and consonance" or "dissonance and release."
>>> 3.) there are both whole and half steps in all diatonic scales.
>>>
>>> So in the key of C...
>>> C trill will be a whole step (trill starts on D)
>>> D trill will be a whole step (trill starts on E)
>>> E trill will be a half step (trill starts on F)
>>> F trill will be a whole step (trill starts on G)
>>> G trill will be a whole step (trill starts on A)
>>> A trill will be a whole step (trill starts on B)
>>> B trill will be a half step  (trill starts on C)
>>>
>>> The slide on a slide chromatic acts to raise all pitches 1/2 step.
>>> Most "button crazy" chromatic harmonica players call "randomly pushing
>>> the button rapidly" a "trill" when 5/7 of the time, it is not a "trill,"
>>> but instead it is "randomly pushing the button rapidly."
>>>
>>> Does that make sense?
>>> *--------------------------*
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>>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 9:54 AM Michael Rubin <
>>> michaelrubinharmonica at xxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not 4 and 5 draw, I meant 3nad 4 draw.  No coffee yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 8:52 AM Michael Rubin <
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> michaelrubinharmonica at xxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > It's cool with me to call something a half step trill, but isn't a
>>>> whole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > step distance implied within the word trill?  As far as I know you
>>>> can only
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > trill by shaking between 4 and 5 draw (and their higher octave
>>>> repeats) on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > a chrome and 6 and 7 draw on a diatonic.  "Trilling" a half step isn't
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > really trilling, it's something else.  I call moving between 2 notes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > rapidly by repeatedly pushing the button in and out a "flourish", but
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > that's my own term and has no basis in classical music terminology.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 8:40 AM Slim Heilpern <slim at xxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> I know this solo well, not sure what trill you're talking about. The
>>>> solo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> is definitely in F#, lays out perfectly in that key, no whole step
>>>> trills.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> There is definitely a half step G to G# trill.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> - Slim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> > On Sep 19, 2020, at 3:31 AM, Robert Hale <ynfdwas at xxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> > Stevie Wonder FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE many pros play it and tab it as a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> > half-step slide, but I hear a whole step trill.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> > Slowing it down and isolating it, I am sure of it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> > The recording is in F#, but that whole step trill can only occur
>>>> between
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> > Draw holes 3 and 4, putting it in the Key of G, or G# with slide
>>>> in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> > What's your call?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> > Thank you, from Mesa, Arizona USA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> > Robert Hale
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> > RobertHaleMusic.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> > Robert at xxxxx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >> > 480-720-8897
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
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