[Harp-L] Stevie Wonder FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE

[Michael Rubin]

George,
Does the word diatonic refer to only major scales or can it be applied to
any type of scale?
Michael

On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 9:39 AM Michael Rubin <
michaelrubinharmonica at xxxxx> wrote:

> Thanks George!  I wonder why I was taught otherwise.
> Michael
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 9:37 AM Slim Heilpern <slim at xxxxx> wrote:
>
>> OK, seems like we're getting into the weeds here.  I'll just mention that
>> the only thing that is at all trill-like in that solo is the riff over the
>> C#9(#11) chord, where both "trill" notes (G and G#) are in the scale one
>> would normally play over that chord. I think you can call it a trill, but
>> if not, I stand corrected.
>>
>> - Slim
>>
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2020, at 7:23 AM, George Miklas <harmonicat at xxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>> George Miklas
>> 10:22 AM (0 minutes ago)
>> to Michael
>> Michael and others... RE: trills,  namely, Baroque trills in the
>> traditional sense.
>>
>> Lets set some ground rules.....
>> 1.) a trill is diatonic
>> 2.) trills are approached from above the note - this creates the musical
>> effect of "dissonance and consonance" or "dissonance and release."
>> 3.) there are both whole and half steps in all diatonic scales.
>>
>> So in the key of C...
>> C trill will be a whole step (trill starts on D)
>> D trill will be a whole step (trill starts on E)
>> E trill will be a half step (trill starts on F)
>> F trill will be a whole step (trill starts on G)
>> G trill will be a whole step (trill starts on A)
>> A trill will be a whole step (trill starts on B)
>> B trill will be a half step  (trill starts on C)
>>
>> The slide on a slide chromatic acts to raise all pitches 1/2 step.
>> Most "button crazy" chromatic harmonica players call "randomly pushing
>> the button rapidly" a "trill" when 5/7 of the time, it is not a "trill,"
>> but instead it is "randomly pushing the button rapidly."
>>
>> Does that make sense?
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>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 9:54 AM Michael Rubin <
>> michaelrubinharmonica at xxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Not 4 and 5 draw, I meant 3nad 4 draw.  No coffee yet.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 8:52 AM Michael Rubin <
>>> michaelrubinharmonica at xxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> > It's cool with me to call something a half step trill, but isn't a
>>> whole
>>> > step distance implied within the word trill?  As far as I know you can
>>> only
>>> > trill by shaking between 4 and 5 draw (and their higher octave
>>> repeats) on
>>> > a chrome and 6 and 7 draw on a diatonic.  "Trilling" a half step isn't
>>> > really trilling, it's something else.  I call moving between 2 notes
>>> > rapidly by repeatedly pushing the button in and out a "flourish", but
>>> > that's my own term and has no basis in classical music terminology.
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 8:40 AM Slim Heilpern <slim at xxxxx> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I know this solo well, not sure what trill you're talking about. The
>>> solo
>>> >> is definitely in F#, lays out perfectly in that key, no whole step
>>> trills.
>>> >> There is definitely a half step G to G# trill.
>>> >>
>>> >> - Slim
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > On Sep 19, 2020, at 3:31 AM, Robert Hale <ynfdwas at xxxxx> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Stevie Wonder FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE many pros play it and tab it as a
>>> >> > half-step slide, but I hear a whole step trill.
>>> >> > Slowing it down and isolating it, I am sure of it.
>>> >> > The recording is in F#, but that whole step trill can only occur
>>> between
>>> >> > Draw holes 3 and 4, putting it in the Key of G, or G# with slide in.
>>> >> > What's your call?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thank you, from Mesa, Arizona USA
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Robert Hale
>>> >> > RobertHaleMusic.com
>>> >> > Robert at xxxxx
>>> >> > 480-720-8897
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>
>>