[Harp-L] Stevie Wonder FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE

[Michael Rubin]

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question appear.
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On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 10:28 AM Robert Hale <ynfdwas at xxxxx> wrote:

> Thanks to each of you pitching in here!
>
> <grin>  Coming out of the weeds, I want to address that I hear a repeated
> whole step move in measure 12 of the solo, Stevie Wonder, FOR ONCE IN MY
> LIFE.
> I used Gold Wave to slow it down, isolate, and loop it. It's a whole step.
> Anyone else hear it that way?
>
>
>    1. How does Stevie produce that phrase on a C standard 64 chrome
>    played in F#, which would only offer a 1/2 step move with the slide?
>    2. If the recording is confirmed to be a whole step, why do several
>    pros transcribe and play it as a half-step?
>
>
> It's a small issue in the high musical value of this marvelous solo. But
> you know musicians can get fanatic about stuff. <grin> Even the definition
> of terms.
>
> Robert Hale
> Mesa AZ USA
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 7:41 AM Michael Rubin <
> michaelrubinharmonica at xxxxx> wrote:
>
>> George,
>> Does the word diatonic refer to only major scales or can it be applied to
>> any type of scale?
>> Michael
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 9:39 AM Michael Rubin <
>> michaelrubinharmonica at xxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks George!  I wonder why I was taught otherwise.
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 9:37 AM Slim Heilpern <slim at xxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK, seems like we're getting into the weeds here.  I'll just mention
>>>> that the only thing that is at all trill-like in that solo is the riff over
>>>> the C#9(#11) chord, where both "trill" notes (G and G#) are in the scale
>>>> one would normally play over that chord. I think you can call it a trill,
>>>> but if not, I stand corrected.
>>>>
>>>> - Slim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 19, 2020, at 7:23 AM, George Miklas <harmonicat at xxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> George Miklas
>>>> 10:22 AM (0 minutes ago)
>>>> to Michael
>>>> Michael and others... RE: trills,  namely, Baroque trills in the
>>>> traditional sense.
>>>>
>>>> Lets set some ground rules.....
>>>> 1.) a trill is diatonic
>>>> 2.) trills are approached from above the note - this creates the
>>>> musical effect of "dissonance and consonance" or "dissonance and release."
>>>> 3.) there are both whole and half steps in all diatonic scales.
>>>>
>>>> So in the key of C...
>>>> C trill will be a whole step (trill starts on D)
>>>> D trill will be a whole step (trill starts on E)
>>>> E trill will be a half step (trill starts on F)
>>>> F trill will be a whole step (trill starts on G)
>>>> G trill will be a whole step (trill starts on A)
>>>> A trill will be a whole step (trill starts on B)
>>>> B trill will be a half step  (trill starts on C)
>>>>
>>>> The slide on a slide chromatic acts to raise all pitches 1/2 step.
>>>> Most "button crazy" chromatic harmonica players call "randomly pushing
>>>> the button rapidly" a "trill" when 5/7 of the time, it is not a "trill,"
>>>> but instead it is "randomly pushing the button rapidly."
>>>>
>>>> Does that make sense?
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>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 9:54 AM Michael Rubin <
>>>> michaelrubinharmonica at xxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not 4 and 5 draw, I meant 3nad 4 draw.  No coffee yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 8:52 AM Michael Rubin <
>>>>> michaelrubinharmonica at xxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > It's cool with me to call something a half step trill, but isn't a
>>>>> whole
>>>>> > step distance implied within the word trill?  As far as I know you
>>>>> can only
>>>>> > trill by shaking between 4 and 5 draw (and their higher octave
>>>>> repeats) on
>>>>> > a chrome and 6 and 7 draw on a diatonic.  "Trilling" a half step
>>>>> isn't
>>>>> > really trilling, it's something else.  I call moving between 2 notes
>>>>> > rapidly by repeatedly pushing the button in and out a "flourish", but
>>>>> > that's my own term and has no basis in classical music terminology.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 8:40 AM Slim Heilpern <slim at xxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> I know this solo well, not sure what trill you're talking about.
>>>>> The solo
>>>>> >> is definitely in F#, lays out perfectly in that key, no whole step
>>>>> trills.
>>>>> >> There is definitely a half step G to G# trill.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> - Slim
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > On Sep 19, 2020, at 3:31 AM, Robert Hale <ynfdwas at xxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Stevie Wonder FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE many pros play it and tab it as
>>>>> a
>>>>> >> > half-step slide, but I hear a whole step trill.
>>>>> >> > Slowing it down and isolating it, I am sure of it.
>>>>> >> > The recording is in F#, but that whole step trill can only occur
>>>>> between
>>>>> >> > Draw holes 3 and 4, putting it in the Key of G, or G# with slide
>>>>> in.
>>>>> >> > What's your call?
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Thank you, from Mesa, Arizona USA
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Robert Hale
>>>>> >> > RobertHaleMusic.com
>>>>> >> > Robert at xxxxx
>>>>> >> > 480-720-8897
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>