Re: [Harp-L] Favorite Harp Mic (Edwina vs AT4033)

[Trip Henderson <trip.tunes@xxxxxxxxx>]

Its better in terms of feedback and has a wider pickup pattern . . . and
looks so cool!!!

If you're thinking of getting one let me know, I may be able to get you a
small discount.


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Bart van Strien <knuppel@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  Hi Trip, thanks for the info.
>
> Since you also have experience with the AT4033, I have a small question (I
> really really would like your opinion): What do you think,
> is the Edwina's better resistant to feedback (causes less feedback) or do
> you think it's about the same as the AT4033?
>
> Bart
> (sorry if my english is not super, I'm from)
> the Netherlands, Europe
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Trip Henderson <trip.tunes@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
> *Cc:* Bart van Strien <knuppel@xxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 5:01 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Harp-L] Favorite Harp Mic
>
> For those on the list that play electric, have drums in the band, handhold
> mics, use digital processors, amps etc you might want to move onto he next
> subject. If however you work in an all acoustic setting and are close
> micing everyone using anywhere from 4-10 mics then the Edwina or similar
> large diaphragm, side address, condenser mics may be of interest to you as
> an alternative to close micing.
>
> Before Edwina entered my life I used an AT4033 for my quartet. We have 3
> up front with guitar, banjo-uke, and harp and the upright bass stands
> behind us in the back - everyone sings. We'd occasionally add a 2nd mic
> stage left for guitar if the room called for it. This set up works really
> well if everyone stands because you can self mix by moving in and out from
> the mic. The other beauty of this is that you all are so close to each
> other that you do not need monitors and also has the visual advantage of
> highlighting the featured player because whoever is up front and in the
> middle is who the audience should be paying attention to. The benefits are
> pretty astounding and its so much more fun than being locked down to your
> mic position.  There's the occasional train wreck where someone is backing
> out from a solo and collides with the incoming player but that's part of
> the fun and the audience loves the choreography.
>
> When my band went from 4 to 5 members with 4 up front the pickup pattern
> of the 4033 was too narrow to capture the whole band and that's when I
> started looking for another option and met Edwina. Now we mount the two
> Edwinas on a single stand with a cross bar mic adapter and toe the mics out
> so that the pickup pattern is now wider to accommodate the new front line.
> With the exception of really noisy rooms, or where the speakers are upstage
> from the band this set up is our go to.  In the rare setting where it does
> not work and we go back to close micing we are all kind of miserable.
>
>
> I unfortunately do not have any video of the band using the Edwinas but
> here's a clip with the 4033 and a 2nd mic down low for guitar - its shot at
> the Jalopy Theatre here in Brooklyn.
>
> http://youtu.be/70-O-4Gimzc
>
> These two clips are from fellow Brooklynite Michael Daves with Chris Thile
> in one and Bryan Sutton in the other using the one mic approach.  Hold on
> to your hats for these gents!
>
> http://youtu.be/iJkEnOcIs7A
>
> http://youtu.be/BJoSA8BWRA0
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Bart van Strien <knuppel@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>>  Thanks Trip for your answer,
>> No coincidence indeed, that's the same AT we've been using for more then
>> 10 years, the AT4033. We never use monitors and always stand behind the
>> roomspeakers of course. But still plenty of problems in noisy or big
>> crowds, so we sure would like to find something with less feedback and were
>> hoping the Edwina's are the answer. For sure that's the way they're
>> advertised.
>>
>> Do you find the Edwina's better resistant to feedback or do you think
>> it's about the same as the AT4033 ?
>>
>> Thanks again!
>> Bart
>>
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Trip Henderson <trip.tunes@xxxxxxxxx>
>>  *To:* Bart van Strien <knuppel@xxxxxxxxx>
>> *Cc:* harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 18, 2014 10:56 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Harp-L] Favorite Harp Mic
>>
>> Hey Bart!
>>
>> I love my Edwina's. I like so many of us on this list have a gear fetish
>> but these mics are truly excellent. Bart I'm sure you know the Foghorn
>> String Band, for those not into hillbilly music they are old time bad-ass
>> at its best and they too use these mics.
>>
>> Before getting the Edwina's I was using an AT 4033, my pals Michael Daves
>> and Chris Thile use that mic to great success and its the mic that Del
>> McCourey made popular a few years back because sounds guys using 8-10 live
>> mics at a bluegrass festival were always screwing up so they just went back
>> to the way Bill Monroe did it back in the day - one mic.
>>
>> Now the Edwina's like the 4033 are only good for certain applications -
>> speakers downstage from the mic, and no monitors otherwise if the speakers
>> are behind you and monitors are live they will feedback - its all about
>> placement.
>>
>> Check out "The Milk Carton Kids" by The Portland Sessions where they use
>> these  http://vimeo.com/52036446. They are sweet!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 4:07 AM, Bart van Strien <knuppel@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Trip,
>>> the Edwina sounds interesting. Thanks for pointing it out! We use an AT
>>> on stage to amplify our bluegrass band (Blue Grass Boogiemen) but do have
>>> feedbackproblems when playing for noisy crowds. Can I ask you something
>>> bout the Edwina, since you've got some live experience?
>>> The Edwina is it really as feedback resistant as they clame it to be?
>>> And I read in a review that (for vocals) if you get too far away the
>>> sound gets thin, do you have the same experience or is it still rich enough
>>> to be workable? What you think?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> Bart
>>> the Netherlands
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trip Henderson" <
>>> trip.tunes@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: "robert" <harpbob@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 6:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Favorite Harp Mic
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hey Bob old friend!  The Beyer M-69 It would be sweet for Chromatic. I
>>>> got
>>>> the idea from Mickey Raphael and then did my own research. Its great for
>>>> close proximity work, has a frequency range from 50k-15,000k and is very
>>>> smooth, its built rugged and hence is on the heavy side. I use it both
>>>> on a
>>>> stand and handheld either through the PA or a small tube amp ('57 Tweed
>>>> Champ or Kalamazoo Model 1) where appropriate. I had one stolen by
>>>> another
>>>> harp player a few years back (he then had a heart a attach and died -
>>>> just
>>>> sayin') so I bought a second one.  Love it!
>>>>
>>>> Another great choice is the Beyer M160 ribbon microphone which Mickey
>>>> also
>>>> uses as does Lee Oskar.  Its a much more fragile mic with less
>>>> cojones/body
>>>> than the M-69 and is a really sweet smooth mic.
>>>>
>>>> My last recommendation is the Edwina, a mic made by Ear Trumpet Lab that
>>>> looks as good as it sounds. Its made in Portlandia, Oregon from
>>>> organically sourced plumbing parts (I'm only half joking!) and is a side
>>>> address, large diaphragm, condenser mic that requires phantom power. I
>>>> use
>>>> a pair to mic my entire 5 piece acoustic band and they work best in a
>>>> trad/acoustic music setting where no monitors are used.  I'll be singing
>>>> and blowing through one tonight at the Jalopy Theatre in Red
>>>> Hook Brooklyn if anyone's around those parts.
>>>>
>>>> Over and out.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *Trip Henderson*
>>>> https://soundcloud.com/trip-henderson
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/TheWhistlingWolves
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:54 AM, robert <harpbob@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That looks intriguing...Trip, how would this work with chromatic, held
>>>>> Toots style, for jazz?
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>> > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 23:54:25 -0400
>>>>> > From: trip.tunes@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> > To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> > Subject: [Harp-L] Favorite Harp Mic
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Beyer M-69
>>>>> >
>>>>> > *Trip Henderson*
>>>>> > https://soundcloud.com/trip-henderson
>>>>> > https://www.youtube.com/TheWhistlingWolves
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> *Trip Henderson*
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>>
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