Re: [Harp-L] Miles Davis
I would say that is true of just about any musician. Tying in to the
emotion comments this week, that can be spun too. You can say that a
person has their own voice and that comes through no matter what they play
OR that they stink because they sound the same no matter what they play
over.
FWIW, I contend most players have very limited vocabularies when
improvising and quickly end up playing the same things over and over. We
give them a free pass when we like them (they have a voice!) and then slam
them when we don't like it (same thing all the time is boring). Exceptions
can be made when they change contexts - like they have a typical 1st
position solo, or some different chormatic riffs. Really, though, after a
few listens, most musicians' improvisations just repeat to a large extent
with the chunks of phrases mixed around.
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:40:27 AM UTC-5, The Iceman wrote:
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> Here's the interesting thing about Miles.....
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> his trumpet playing remained the same (once he found his unique
> voice)...it was the music that he surrounded it with that he constantly
> altered.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angelo Adamo <in...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <javascript:>>
> To: harp-l <har...@xxxxxxxxxx <javascript:>>
> Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 11:37 am
> Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Re: Harp-L Digest, Vol 109, Issue 83
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> That's right, Mike!
>
> But it seems to me that everything you are saying goes much beyond the
> technical problem we was talking about.
>
> Miles did a more complex artistical path than other musicians and this
> compelled him to find new way of expressing himself.
>
> This means new languages, which means also a new jazz phraseology,
> always evolving with his life experience.
>
> In every case, if you know well how to move fingers on your trumpet,
> you can change you language every time you need to do it.
>
> I can't speak a good english. This means that my eloquence technic
> isn't so good.
>
> I can express few, poor concepts and I do this using always the same
> bundle of words.
>
> Instead you can talk very, very much better than me and this permits
> you to let me understand, but also permits you to talk with a child
> and with a university teacher.
>
> So, you have a great english technic. The one I don't have.
>
> To me, playing is the same matter of speaking.
>
> I can play only few notes and by them it's very difficult for me to
> give you many emotions.
>
> Shakespeare can say whatevere he wants, he can be simple or
> complicated, and he can give you always emotions.
>
> That's the difference
>
> Angelo
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> Il giorno 27/set/12, alle ore 15:40, mi...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <javascript:>ha scritto:
>
> > Angelo
> > That's right if there ever was a Jazz Artist that had a long and
> > unusual growth history it would have been Miles Davis.
> > Coming from the elevated class, father of a St. Louis Dentist ,was
> > not " born of the ghetto "
> > As many of his mentors or peers...
> >
> > That and the long journey he made as a musician to become " Miles "
> > gives another kind of Cred ....Miles earned this long notes and
> > pregnant pauses.
> >
> > Anyone that remembers when " Bitches Brew " was cut, he took a lot
> > of heat for " going
> > Psychedelic "
> > Jazz people thought Miles had jumped ship but really, Miles was
> > taking command !
> >
> > Well that's my read on Miles Davis for what its worth.
> >
> > Mike Wilbur
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:59 AM, Angelo Adamo <in...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<javascript:>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I'd like to say something about playng few/many notes.
> >>
> >> I think that everything is good when comes from a choice.
> >>
> >> If you talk about Miles Davis and his "few notes poetry", don't
> >> forget that this phase of his artistic history was the natural
> >> prosecution of a path started in the 1940s.
> >> At that time, he was playing be bop with Charlie Parker and all the
> >> great names of that epoch.
> >> What I'm trying to say is that if Miles decided later to play few,
> >> long notes, he was doing that because he felt that as the right
> >> thing to do; he managed hi solos this way because he preferred
> >> those few to a forest of notes.
> >> But, if he would, he could play the forest...
> >> Being an artist of that level to me means also that you know so
> >> well your instrument and the music that you can prefer something to
> >> some other thing, being not the slave of your instrument and of the
> >> genre you are playing.
> >> This way, emotions can flow freely, regardless how many notes you
> >> decide to use in expressing yourself.
> >>
> >> Angelo Adamo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> Dott. Angelo Adamo
> ____________________
> Via delle Borre 11, 40131
> Bologna
> in...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <javascript:>
> Skype: a.adamo
> +39 347 5131843
> ____________________
>
>
>
> Il giorno 27/set/12, alle ore 15:40, mi...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <javascript:>ha scritto:
>
> > Angelo
> > That's right if there ever was a Jazz Artist that had a long and
> > unusual growth history it would have been Miles Davis.
> > Coming from the elevated class, father of a St. Louis Dentist ,was
> > not " born of the ghetto "
> > As many of his mentors or peers...
> >
> > That and the long journey he made as a musician to become " Miles "
> > gives another kind of Cred ....Miles earned this long notes and
> > pregnant pauses.
> >
> > Anyone that remembers when " Bitches Brew " was cut, he took a lot
> > of heat for " going
> > Psychedelic "
> > Jazz people thought Miles had jumped ship but really, Miles was
> > taking command !
> >
> > Well that's my read on Miles Davis for what its worth.
> >
> > Mike Wilbur
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:59 AM, Angelo Adamo <in...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<javascript:>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I'd like to say something about playng few/many notes.
> >>
> >> I think that everything is good when comes from a choice.
> >>
> >> If you talk about Miles Davis and his "few notes poetry", don't
> >> forget that this phase of his artistic history was the natural
> >> prosecution of a path started in the 1940s.
> >> At that time, he was playing be bop with Charlie Parker and all the
> >> great names of that epoch.
> >> What I'm trying to say is that if Miles decided later to play few,
> >> long notes, he was doing that because he felt that as the right
> >> thing to do; he managed hi solos this way because he preferred
> >> those few to a forest of notes.
> >> But, if he would, he could play the forest...
> >> Being an artist of that level to me means also that you know so
> >> well your instrument and the music that you can prefer something to
> >> some other thing, being not the slave of your instrument and of the
> >> genre you are playing.
> >> This way, emotions can flow freely, regardless how many notes you
> >> decide to use in expressing yourself.
> >>
> >> Angelo Adamo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> Dott. Angelo Adamo
> ____________________
> Via delle Borre 11, 40131
> Bologna
> in...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <javascript:>
> Skype: a.adamo
> +39 347 5131843
> ____________________
>
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