[Harp-L] Harp-L Digest, Vol 202, Issue 4
Berris-Dale Joseph
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Fri Jun 5 13:46:15 EDT 2020
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> 1. Non - harpist, blowin our little friend (F F)
> 2. Re: Harp playing by musicians not considered harmonica
> players (christer.molkom at xxxxx)
> 3. Re: Non - harpist, blowin our little friend (Ken H in Ohio)
> 4. Harp playing by musicians not considered harmonica players
> (Andy Vincent)
> 5. Time Will Tell - Bop, el Jazzero Solitario (quarentine
> session) (randy singer)
> 6. Re: Harp playing by musicians not considered harmonica
> players (The Iceman)
> 7. Re: Harp playing by musicians not considered harmonica
> players (JOSEPH LEONE)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 18:06:00 +0000
>From: F F <franze52 at xxxxx>
>To: "harp-l at xxxxx" <harp-l at xxxxx>
>Subject: [Harp-L] Non - harpist, blowin our little friend
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrpMFR4ogyI
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>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 09:03:36 +0200 (CEST)
>From: "christer.molkom at xxxxx" <christer.molkom at xxxxx>
>To: autothreads at xxxxx, michaelrubinharmonica at xxxxx
>Cc: harp-l at xxxxx
>Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Harp playing by musicians not considered
> harmonica players
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>I just thought I'd like to add my two cents about Dylan's harp.
>It's true that he used to play a lot of 1st position, but he also played a number of his most well-known songs
>in 2nd position. Here's a few examples: Baby Let Me Follow You Down, Don't Think Twice, Subterranean Homesick Blues,
>She Belongs To Me, It Takes A Lot To Laugh It Takes A Train To Cry, Rainy Day Women #12 & 35, Visions Of Johanna,
>I'll Be Your Baby Tonight. Gospel Plow on his first album is a great lesson in rack-harp chugging.
>He used 4th position a few times: All Along The Watchtower and Hurricane.
>For the last decade at least he has been playing cross-harp pretty much exclusively, on records and, especially, live.
>The technical aspect doesn't interest me as much as what his playing dowa for the songs. I love the Sonny Boys,
>the Walters, Howlin' Wolf, Jimmy Reed, Jesse Fuller, Sonny Terry and a whole bunch of players, living or dead.
>I agree with Ronnie and Michael.
>
>>----Ursprungligt meddelande----
>>Fr?n : autothreads at xxxxx
>>Datum : 2020-06-02 - 19:10 ()
>>Till : michaelrubinharmonica at xxxxx
>>Kopia : harp-l at xxxxx
>>?mne : Re: [Harp-L] Harp playing by musicians not considered harmonica players
>>
>>I deliberately didn't mention Dylan because so many harp enthusiasts
>>don't like his "sloppy" first position playing and I didn't want to get
>>into that particular debate. Since you brought Bob up, though, I'll say
>>that his "two note solos" on the electric guitar also get criticized,
>>but after more than 60 years of playing guitar himself, along with
>>having played with many great guitarists like Mike Bloomfield, he's
>>actually a pretty competent finger picking guitar player as can be heard
>>on the album of folk standards he released a while back. Can he pick
>>like Jorma Kaukonen, no, but then Jorma will tell you how much he
>>respects Dylan as a musician.
>>
>>The same is true of Dylan's harmonica playing. People mistakenly think
>>he can't play very well just because he doesn't do typical cross harp.
>>I've seen the guy play 2nd position blues with a cupped mic live, and
>>there's no doubt he knows his way around the harmonica. He just decided
>>years ago to play idiosyncratically, most of the time in first position,
>>and created his own sound on the instrument that fits and serves his
>>music well. It's popular enough that a bunch of great musicians from
>>Neil Young to Tom Petty have imitated that style whether harp purists
>>like it or not.
>>
>>I think a story about the Highway 61 Revisited album's recording sheds
>>some perspective. When Bloomfield showed up at the session, Dylan told
>>him that he didn't want him to play "any of that B.B. King" stuff
>>because he was going after the sound he wanted, not some curated and
>>archived blues.
>>
>>On 6/2/2020 11:29 AM, Michael Rubin wrote:
>>> Harp players often conceptualize good harmonica playing by control of
>>> the technical aspects of the harp.? I prefer musicality, which can be
>>> defined by
>>>
>>> 1. a control of the contrasts of music.? Loud, quiet.? Long short.?
>>> Legato, staccato.? High low.? single notes, chords, double stops.
>>> 2.? More ethereal ideas such as feeling, soul, emotion. They are
>>> harder to pin down.
>>> 3.? A sense of timing.
>>>
>>> Bob Dylan gives me more pleasure than most of the harmonica players in
>>> the world.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ronnie Schreiber
>>> <autothreads at xxxxx <mailto:autothreads at xxxxx>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I was listening to Those Were The Days, the boxed set of all of
>>> Cream's
>>> official releases. Their first album in particular has a lot of Jack
>>> Bruce's harmonica and Bruce's playing isn't half bad. Sure, he may
>>> not
>>> have some of the technical chops of full time harp players but his
>>> tasteful playing still reflects the fact that he was a world-class
>>> musician.
>>>
>>> It seems to me that some harmonica enthusiasts tend to diminish the
>>> harmonica playing of musicians like Bruce, Robert Plant, or Mick
>>> Jagger,
>>> as not serious harmonica players, but it should be pointed out
>>> that they
>>> were good enough players to blow harp with Cream, Led Zeppelin and
>>> the
>>> Rolling Stones.
>>>
>>> Ronnie Schreiber
>>> The Electric Harmonica Co.
>>> http://www.harmonicaster.com
>>>
>>
>>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 16:02:42 -0400
>From: Ken H in Ohio <airmojoken at xxxxx>
>To: F F <franze52 at xxxxx>
>Cc: "harp-l at xxxxx" <harp-l at xxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Non - harpist, blowin our little friend
>Message-ID:
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>Enjoyed that... Steve Miller likes and plays harmonica... probably why
>Norton Buffalo joined his band so many times.
>Steve loved Norton's playing as surely we all do !
>
>Ken H in OH
>
>On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:06 PM F F <franze52 at xxxxx> wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrpMFR4ogyI
>>
>>
>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 09:34:51 -0400
>From: Andy Vincent <av1901 at xxxxx>
>To: harp-l at xxxxx
>Cc: Av <av1901 at xxxxx>
>Subject: [Harp-L] Harp playing by musicians not considered harmonica
> players
>Message-ID: <399B2639-22C0-4710-85FC-3699E2FE5D6A at xxxxx>
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>Another British Blues influenced rock band late 60?s / early 70?s must be mentioned here: Humble Pie. Steve Marriott was their awesome front man who sang with soul, played a cranked up Les Paul through Marshall stacks.
>
>I saw them a few times live, and saw and heard him use dynamics, bring the band down, then blow some REALLY tasteful 2nd position blues that served the feel of the song. He wasn?t Little Walter, or Howard, or Toots, but his playing made me want to pick up a harp and play along.
>
>Check out this track with the solo @ 3:12
>
>https://youtu.be/-hSHn2fcNK4
>
>Andy Vincent
>
>
>
>
>To: "harp-l at xxxxx" <harp-l at xxxxx>
>Subject: [Harp-L] Harp playing by musicians not considered harmonica
> players
>Message-ID: <2bc479af-eea2-f5d9-0bd6-1c8d6f9cf979 at xxxxx>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
>I was listening to Those Were The Days, the boxed set of all of Cream's
>official releases. Their first album in particular has a lot of Jack
>Bruce's harmonica and Bruce's playing isn't half bad. Sure, he may not
>have some of the technical chops of full time harp players but his
>tasteful playing still reflects the fact that he was a world-class musician.
>
>It seems to me that some harmonica enthusiasts tend to diminish the
>harmonica playing of musicians like Bruce, Robert Plant, or Mick Jagger,
>as not serious harmonica players, but it should be pointed out that they
>were good enough players to blow harp with Cream, Led Zeppelin and the
>Rolling Stones.
>
>Ronnie Schreiber
>The Electric Harmonica Co.
>http://www.harmonicaster.com
>
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 14:39:39 -0400
>From: randy singer <randy at xxxxx>
>To: HarpL* <harp-l at xxxxx>
>Subject: [Harp-L] Time Will Tell - Bop, el Jazzero Solitario
> (quarentine session)
>Message-ID: <D6D37ACF-1885-4773-B738-35C18B55A27D at xxxxx>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>https://youtu.be/pd0VgKID_kY
>
>AMAZING jazz fusion Harmonica!
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:24:46 +0000 (UTC)
>From: The Iceman <icemanle at xxxxx>
>To: "harp-l at xxxxx" <harp-l at xxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Harp playing by musicians not considered
> harmonica players
>Message-ID: <574509223.2653355.1591280686363 at xxxxx>
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>talking about that same musical period, an amazing band - Family (saw them live at German fest in 1971 or so - mind blowing) had a lead singer who also played good harmonica - Roger Chapman - but used it very sparingly on a few recordings - nothing live as far as I can tell.... Lindisfarne, another Brit band, had one as well.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Andy Vincent via Harp-L <harp-l at xxxxx>
>To: harp-l at xxxxx
>Cc: Av <av1901 at xxxxx>
>Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2020 9:34 am
>Subject: [Harp-L] Harp playing by musicians not considered harmonica players
>
>Another British Blues influenced rock band late 60?s / early 70?s must be mentioned here: Humble Pie. Steve Marriott was their awesome front man who sang with soul, played a cranked up Les Paul through Marshall stacks.
>
>I saw them a few times live, and saw and heard him use dynamics, bring the band down, then blow some REALLY tasteful 2nd position blues that served the feel of the song. He wasn?t Little Walter, or Howard, or Toots, but his playing made me want to pick up a harp and play along.
>
>Check out this track with the solo @ 3:12
>
>https://youtu.be/-hSHn2fcNK4
>
>Andy Vincent
>
>
>
>
>To: "harp-l at xxxxx" <harp-l at xxxxx>
>Subject: [Harp-L] Harp playing by musicians not considered harmonica
>? players
>Message-ID: <2bc479af-eea2-f5d9-0bd6-1c8d6f9cf979 at xxxxx>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
>I was listening to Those Were The Days, the boxed set of all of Cream's
>official releases. Their first album in particular has a lot of Jack
>Bruce's harmonica and Bruce's playing isn't half bad. Sure, he may not
>have some of the technical chops of full time harp players but his
>tasteful playing still reflects the fact that he was a world-class musician.
>
>It seems to me that some harmonica enthusiasts tend to diminish the
>harmonica playing of musicians like Bruce, Robert Plant, or Mick Jagger,
>as not serious harmonica players, but it should be pointed out that they
>were good enough players to blow harp with Cream, Led Zeppelin and the
>Rolling Stones.
>
>Ronnie Schreiber
>The Electric Harmonica Co.
>http://www.harmonicaster.com
>
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
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>
>Message: 7
>Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 10:39:58 -0400 (EDT)
>From: JOSEPH LEONE <3n037 at xxxxx>
>To: Andy Vincent <av1901 at xxxxx>, Andy Vincent via Harp-L
> <harp-l at xxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Harp playing by musicians not considered
> harmonica players
>Message-ID: <1763172874.160780.1591281599474 at xxxxx>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
>And then there was John Mayall.
>Kid Nee
>
>> On June 3, 2020 at 9:34 AM Andy Vincent via Harp-L <harp-l at xxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Another British Blues influenced rock band late 60?s / early 70?s must be mentioned here: Humble Pie. Steve Marriott was their awesome front man who sang with soul, played a cranked up Les Paul through Marshall stacks.
>>
>> I saw them a few times live, and saw and heard him use dynamics, bring the band down, then blow some REALLY tasteful 2nd position blues that served the feel of the song. He wasn?t Little Walter, or Howard, or Toots, but his playing made me want to pick up a harp and play along.
>>
>> Check out this track with the solo @ 3:12
>>
>> https://youtu.be/-hSHn2fcNK4
>>
>> Andy Vincent
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To: "harp-l at xxxxx" <harp-l at xxxxx>
>> Subject: [Harp-L] Harp playing by musicians not considered harmonica
>> players
>> Message-ID: <2bc479af-eea2-f5d9-0bd6-1c8d6f9cf979 at xxxxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> I was listening to Those Were The Days, the boxed set of all of Cream's
>> official releases. Their first album in particular has a lot of Jack
>> Bruce's harmonica and Bruce's playing isn't half bad. Sure, he may not
>> have some of the technical chops of full time harp players but his
>> tasteful playing still reflects the fact that he was a world-class musician.
>>
>> It seems to me that some harmonica enthusiasts tend to diminish the
>> harmonica playing of musicians like Bruce, Robert Plant, or Mick Jagger,
>> as not serious harmonica players, but it should be pointed out that they
>> were good enough players to blow harp with Cream, Led Zeppelin and the
>> Rolling Stones.
>>
>> Ronnie Schreiber
>> The Electric Harmonica Co.
>> http://www.harmonicaster.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
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