Re: Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Pocket full of Soul Kickstarter appeal

[Ryan Bannister <ryanmbannister00@xxxxxxxxx>]

“The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you
give it.”
                      -John Galt
On Aug 24, 2013 1:50 AM, "Ken Deifik" <kenneth.d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Elizabeth wrote:
> >You have a different perspective as a Pro and I respect that, but I think
> >you're comparing apples to oranges withyour examples and mistaking these
> >guys for big-time movie producers when they're not.
>
> I know these guys aren't big-time movie producers. From the first time I
> read their request for free music I knew they were just amateurswith "trust
> me" smiles.
>
> After I posted my previous bit I remembered that I only got totally pissed
> off back when I read to the end of the first request for free musicafter
> Iread the conditions of submission.
>
> I kindof understood trying to get free music. Iwas in the movie business
> for a long time, and I never met a producer who didn't try to get as much
> for free as possible.
>
> I vaguely understood that they wanted to retain the rights to the music
> that was synche'd. Why pay back-end if people are gullible enough to
> surrender their rights?
>
> A very bad smell wafted up when I saw that that music belonged to them
> forever, for all uses. That is pure sleaze.
>
> It was when I saw that you had to surrender all rights JUST TO SUBMIT your
> music that I saw red.
>
> That is just plain disgusting, no matter how nicely these guys smile.
>
> If they love harmonica players as much as they think they do, why did they
> demand that people who are dying for a break surrender all their
> rightsunder all conditions?
>
> Even Colonel Tom Parker only got 50%.
>
> Elizabeth, I'm nota sourguy.  You won't find many rants in my many posts,
> just good cheer. I'm not saying these mean things about your nice friends
> because I love making nasty posts on harp-l.
>
> When newer players join our community, they don't pose their questions to
> other newbies.  They want to learn from what the strong, experienced
> players have learned. If somebody makes a post with totally wrong
> information about a technical issue, advice that would send newbies down a
> very frustrating road, ten people jump in and explain how the original post
> was mistaken and misleading.
>
> Saying nice things about the PFOS filmmakers is mistaken and misleading,
> no matter how well-intentioned those guys they think they are.
>
> I am not posting my disgust at the PFOS filmmakers because other
> professional musicians need to know. They've learned the hard lessons.
>
> I'm posting to make sure the younger players learn to see a sucker game
> early on. I am here to tell them that niceness and smiles and good
> intentions sometimes mask odious behavior.
>
> I used to work trade shows in Las Vegas.  I never put a quarter in a slot,
> never gambled a nickel.  Nor did I ever go up to a single person in a
> casino and said "Hey buddy, let somebody else be the sucker."  It wasn'tmy
> place.
>
> But it absolutely IS the place of older musicians, those of us who have
> seen the smiling faces and the scams, to tell the younger ones the score
> here on Harp-l.
>
> I bet these guys are just terrific people, and that they believe they're
> doing the world a favor. I doubt that they even realize what a disgraceful
> proposition they made when they posted to our list originally. If you like
> these guys and believe it's okay to ask musicians to work for free, and to
> get them to contribute money to the suppliers who refuse to work for free,
> go ahead,give give give.
>
> But young musicians should not be misled by all the sunnyhappy talk. Tune
> your BS detector to go off when smiling people ask you to work for free -
> or to help them pay for the people who won't work for free.
>