Re: [Harp-L] Bending from both sides of the mouth

[David Payne <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I stand even more corrected after trying it out. I'd always used that thing I was talking about if I'm tuning octaves that are beating entirely by ear. When you bend them both, it speeds up or slows down, and then you know which reed is flat in the octave, but apparently I'd never tried it with octaves that were in tune. They don't beat at all. 
 
David Payne
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 From: David Payne <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Harp L Harp L <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Bending from both sides of the mouth
 
Then I stand humbly corrected. 

 
David Payne
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From: Joe Spiers <harpwrench@xxxxxxxxx>
To: David Payne <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Cc: Harp L Harp L <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Bending from both sides of the mouth

Ability to bend the 1-4 draw octave (in tune together) is one of the parameters I verify on my custom harmonicas, not a problem!
Joe S
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On Nov 3, 2012, at 2:20 PM, David Payne <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> There is a problem of physics that has to be overcome. All the ones you mention the 3 and 6 and the 2 and 5 are two different notes. The 5 can barely bend at all, so it's probably the easiest. You are essentially bending the 2, while the 5 bends very little at all. I wonder if you can bend the 2 down to F (on a C). That would be cool.
> When you are bending down the 1-4, there are four reeds involved, the draw reeds initially, then the blow reeds engage as you draw bend. Each of the lower reeds has a corresponding reed exactly one octave above. That's the same for both blow and draw sets.
> When you bend that 1-4 draw at the same time, there is a problem. The 1 and 4 bend differently. The 1, I think will bend the most - this leads to a difference in pitch and they will start beating. I would imagine that's why you wouldn't see Howard doing it. I've had them to the point of beating, just experimenting around. I don't know if there is a limit to what can be done, I never really tried to make it happen as a technique. I think if you had bent them down to beating, you would have mentioned that, so I guess you haven't bent that far, but once you do, that's what you'll have. 
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> David Payne
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> From: martin oldsberg <martinoldsberg@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx" <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx> 
> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 7:59 PM
> Subject: [Harp-L] Bending from both sides of the mouth
> 
> Bending down hole 2D while holding the interval at 5D is not very hard, even for a "tongue challenged" guy as myself. ( I avoid TB (to much spit) and thus can´t do those chucka-chucka slaps that are so very popular ... and just a tad tedious, if I may say so, but that´s probably just the sour grapes talking.) 
>   I can also bend down to a fair approximation of the 3DD-6D octave, even if that one sounds too shaky to take outside.
>   What I can´t do is bending 1D and 4D down simultaneously, no matter how hard I try. 
>   Any pointers for how to do this -- is it possible? (Of course it is, H Levy can probably do it.)
>  
> Cheers,
> Martin