[Harp-L] Re: Looping Version of U2, Live

[Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@xxxxxxxxx>]

If setting up separate and synched tracks is important, and you are
looking to spend less than you would on a LP-1, etc, the Boomerang III
is an option.  The new Boss pedal might work too.

While not as awesome as Noah's rig, you can get 4 separate tracks
going.  The most I've ever used is three as I have the 4th button set-
up to do something else.   What is cool is you can have all 4 tracks
be different lengths assuming they are a multiple of the master
track.  For example:

Master loop: 2 bars of drums
Slave 1: 2, 4, 6, 8, 10....bars of bass
Slave 2: 2, 4, 6, 8, 10...bars of rhythm harmonica
Slave 3: 2, 4, 6, 8, 10...bars of vocal loops

Everything can be set-up "automatically" so the timing is perfect and
there is not drifting.

You can also set it up to go from an A loop to a B loop...so on Noah's
song, you could play the first two bar part and then loop the second
two bar part.  From there, you can have loop one repeat forever and
then press a button to go to the second loop and back.  This makes it
possible to have a verse and chorus you could sing over.  I have not
mastered this yet.  I can show how it is done, but I've never learned
to do a song that way, etc.  There is a major con in that you would
have to overdub the other sounds on each loop separately, which would
take a long time.  I think I figured out a bit of a workaround,
though.

I am doing a poor job of explaining it, but I am not sure the LP-1 or
the Boss 500 will do that.  Obviously the laptop stuff does more.

On Oct 27, 1:38 pm, Noah Hoehn <nho...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Yep... the LP-1 is pretty expensive! I went back and forth between the LP-1 or Ableton and decided on the LP-1 for a few reasons.
> 1. I didn't want to be dealing with a laptop on stage. 104 degrees and high humidity at a festival... etc. etc.
> 2. I wanted zero latency. I would be running Ableton with MIDI pedals and it's very very fast but the LP-1 is instant.
> 3. General laptop headaches regarding upgrading the software, upgrading the OS, upgrading memory, compatibility etc.
> 4. I am a "pure" live looper in that I use NO backing tracks/prerecorded loops or tracks for any songs.
>
> That being said there are many many successful loop artists that use Ableton with a slew of MIDI controllers with fantastic results. I think that there are many advantages to Ableton including:
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> 1. As many tracks as your laptop can handle and almost as many parameters as the LP-1.
> 2. Updates create an ever-improving product. The LP-1 is pretty set in stone.
> 3. Ability to trigger backing tracks. If you want to do this, Ableton is king.
> 4. Ease of live recording your shows. This is a big big plus in my mind.
> 5. General show flexibility. You can run a light show with the laptop... or trigger video loops...
>
> Either route requires a hefty price tag and a lot of set up time. These are not 'plug and play' options. If I switch to Ableton in the future I'll let you know :)
>
> Noah
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> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:44:33 -0400
> From: turtleh...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: nho...@xxxxxxxxxxx; har...@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [Harp-L] Looping Version of U2, Live
>
> I looked up the LP-1, about $1250 new, phew!   But you don't get 8 independent tracks for cheap...
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> I wonder if it would be less expensive and equally functional to run Ableton Live on a laptop from the stage?  
>
> Whatever the price/performance ratio, it sure sounds good.
>
> Regards, Richard Hunter
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: Noah Hoehn
>
> Sent: Oct 27, 2011 1:16 PM
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> To: turtleh...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, harp-l harp-l
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> Subject: RE: [Harp-L] Looping Version of U2, Live
>
> Hey Richard,
>
> I'm using an Eventide Eclipse for all of the looped harp work. I brought my Crystal Ball-->Victoria 45410 rig for solos because it was a large room and I thought it would be fun to cut loose on it... if you listen closely near the end (solo) you can hear it cutting in and out and I switch back to my Fireball V-->Eventide. I need to get it serviced apparently... I didn't use an octave doubler on harp but I did sing a vocal bass part through an octave doubler that is the same Bo Diddley beat part and that's probably what you're hearing on this fan-made cell phone recording. There is a lot of slap echo etc in the video too...
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> I loop with an LP-1 and it has 8 independent tracks. On Desire I use 7 tracks.
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> Thanks!
> Noah
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> > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:23:40 -0400
> > From: turtleh...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > To: har...@xxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Looping Version of U2, Live
>
> > Noah Hoehn wrote:
> > <I had a great time with my solo show this past weekend and someone recorded my version of U2's "Desire".  My amp <was crapping on and off and the solo is very meh... but the looping is quite intricate so I thought some would <be interested. I switch between the A and B sections of the song like the original, add harmony vocals to the A <section w/o them playing right away, isolate the drums, isolate the bass etc.
> > <
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-1lkQaBGHQ
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> > This is a cool performance.  The harp sounds very big and good.  What's the rig?  I saw a Tweed Bassman-type amp in the back line, couldn't read the name plate.  Thought I heard an octave doubler on one of the harp lines too.
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> > It sounded to me like the drum/percussion loop was running independently of the harp loop.  Are you using a looper with multiple independent loop lines?  Very cool to be able to start and stop individual instruments in the mix independently.
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> > I'm sure the audience heard the harmonica in a different way when that performance was over.
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> > Regards, Richard Hunter
>
> > author, "Jazz Harp"
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> author, "Jazz Harp"
> latest mp3s and harmonica blog athttp://hunterharp.com
> Myspacehttp://myspace.com/richardhunterharp
> Vids athttp://www.youtube.com/user/lightninrick
> more mp3s athttp://taxi.com/rhunter
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