Re: [Harp-L] 4th position? or Natural minor tuning?

[Grant Walters <grant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Patrick;
You got it...it just clashes a bit...
I was trying not to play when he did but it is hard to resist.
to my ear...It is easier to match the guitar lines in 3rd.. but Gino mentioned to me that we of course are more used to playing in 3rd...
In time, maybe I will get the reasoning for not just playing it in 3rd....
Lot's to learn...
Thanks so much for the input...
Stuck in 3rd Gear...
Grant

On Jun 1, 2010, at 2:48 AM, Patrick Killeen wrote:

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> I find that the relationship between 3rd and 4th position feels a lot like the relationship between straight harp (1st position) and cross harp (2nd position), with 3rd position feeling more like cross harp and 4th position feeling like straight harp.  3rd position gives you  much more scope for draw bends, so if you're used to playing cross harp this will probably feel more natural.
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> If Gino's using an Eb harp in 4th position and you're using a Bb harp in 3rd then you'll both be playing in C minor but using slightly different scales.  You'll be using A natural (3 and 7 draw on the Bb) where he uses A flat (9 and 5 draw on the Eb).  On their own either way would sound fine but played together they would keep clashing.
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> Minor scales are very fluid in which notes make up their top end.  The first five notes give the scale its minor feel but then there's a bit of a free for all when it comes to the 6th and 7th notes. (In fact when it comes to the melodic minor the 6th and 7th notes vary depending on whether you going up or going down the scale.)
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> Here are a few of the Cm scales that you might meet:
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> Melodic minor (Ascending and descending)  
> C D Eb F G A B C Bb Ab G F Eb D C
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> Harmonic minor
> C D Eb F G A Bb C
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> Natural minor/Aeolian mode  (Eb harmonica in 4th position)
> C D Eb F G Ab Bb C
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> Dorian mode (Bb harmonica in 3rd position)
> C D Eb F G A Bb C
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