Re: [Harp-L] Modes, keys and positions (zeroth)

["Bill" <bill.eborn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

So the word Zeroth was invented in the same year as the Marine Band?  Is 
this purely coincidence or might forces be at work here?

Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug" <mr4chnt@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Modes, keys and positions (zeroth)


"Zeroth" is a real word ( I now know ) and here is entry form an online 
dictionary:
   Main Entry: ze·roth
   Pronunciation: \'ze-(?)roth, 'zir-(?)oth\
   Function: adjective
   Date: 1896
   : being numbered zero in a series; also : zero 1 <the zeroth power of a 
number>

Doug H

PS - I hope all the accents etc come thru OK.
 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: Doug
 To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
 Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Modes, keys and positions (zeroth)


 12th position is actually zeroth position, or using the numerical 
notation, 0th position.  (should that be spelled "zeroeth"???)

 Doug H

   ----- Original Message ----- 
   From: John F. Potts
   To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
   Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:05 PM
   Subject: [Harp-L] Modes, keys and positions (John F. Potts)


   John Kerkoven writes,

     There's just one detail, which is that 12th pos. is not a fifth
   higher than
   6th, but a flat fifth higher. Relating modes to fifths works ~almost~
   perfectly.

   John.

   12th Position is a fifth higher than 11th position, but since 11th
   position does not correspond to a mode, I left it out of my previous
   post, just like I left out positions 7 through 10, which also do not
   correspond to modes.  Btw, Howard Levy also calls 12th position
   “first flat” position because (although it is the last position if
   you proceed clockwise around the Circle of Fifths), it is the FIRST
   position if you move COUNTERCLOCKWISE around the Circle of Fifths. If
   you go counterclockwise, the Circle of Fifths becomes the Circle of
   Fourths.

   Anyway, relating POSITIONS to fifths works perfectly, not almost
   perfectly.  You just have to include the positions I left out when
   you count.

   Best regards,

   JP

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