RE: [Harp-L] Re: TB or pucker - or a bit of both

["Bradford Trainham" <bradford.trainham@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ice Man is describing a trap I indeed have to avoid.
Having learned the six OB well enough to do it dependably at a gig, I found
myself getting out of the "groove" of trying to do a solo worthy of the
song/moment, and thinking instead about where-oh-where I might insert my
new-found technical prowess. 
 While we certainly should use chops we learn and hopefully, as soon as we
learn them, if we're playing in styles wherein those new-found chops are
rare, it behooves us to exercise delicacy in trying to integrate something
like the six OB into "traditional" Blues harp.
Brad Trainham


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Of IcemanLE@xxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Re: TB or pucker - or a bit of both

Those that you mention really spent a lot of dedicated time to this
endeavor. Most blues players won't.
 
The biggest mistake I hear from the level B players getting into OB is that
they use, for example, 6 OB not so much to create an interesting line, but
more  to show that they can do a 6 OB.
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2009 8:16:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bill.eborn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:

"It's  because the overblows are reedy thin in tone and approximate in
pitch."

...only if you don't practice hard enough, one of things I  had to learn
when I started using OBs was to restrain myself from  overusing the 6ob
because I loved the sound of it so much and to try and  achieve a consistent
tone no matter how you achieve the  note.

Howard Levy, Carlos Del Junco, Sebastien Charlier, I can't hear  much
thinness and reediness there myself.....

Bill

-----  Original Message -----
From: "Drew W" <eviltweed@xxxxxxxxx>
To:  <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:58  AM
Subject: [Harp-L] Re: TB or pucker - or a bit of both


>  Well I think it does, and Wilson thinks it does. On the other hand, I
just
> listened to Rick Estrin on that three-way chat say he thinks  there's no
> difference, though he also makes subtle adjustments in each  technique to
> mimic the other.
>
> But he also contradicts  that by saying something I totally agree with - 
> that
> you get  a sweet sound with a pucker and a sound that resonates through 
>  your
> whole body with a TB. So, he thinks there's a difference, but  also thinks
> there isn't. What are we to think if he can't  decide?
>
> What I think (and what I wrote) is that MOST of the  time you can tell
when 
> a
> guy is puckering or TB-ing, but not  100% of the time. I think you get a
> deeper fatter sound when you  pucker the 2 draw than if you TB. I've heard
> guys do it both ways and  I'm yet to change my mind.
>
> As to your own experiments: we'll  never know because we weren't there and
> frankly I don't know how you  play and where your at or anything. What I
do
> know is my Little  Walter, Kim Wilson, Big Walter, Steve Guyger and other 
> CDs
>  that I have listened to a million times... so I'll just keep working
that
> groove and trying to figure out why LW sounds like he did it this  way one
> time and that way another.
>
> Because it's fun.  Y'know?
>
> Anyway, this will never be something we can reach  consensus on. It's like
> overblowers wondering why the legendary blues  cats don't overblow. It's
> because the overblows are reedy thin in tone  and approximate in pitch.
But
> you'll never convince their advocates  that that is true!
>
> (Ducks for cover)
>
>
>  It does? Funny, it doesn't when I play it. I think this gets to my
>>  point that often people make assumptions from their own playing  and
>> generalize it for when they listen to old records. Which is  a
>> natural thing to do.
>>
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