[Harp-L] Re: Charlie Musslewhite
I had the pleasure of being part of one of Dave Barrett's masterclasses when
he would have 5 - 6 pros that gave a seminar then played with the band on
Sat. - Charlie had to do his seminar at 9:00 and you could tell he was shot, but
he did everything in 5th position and didn't miss a note. A true gentleman,
I had a few minutes with him. And his wife I wouldn't arm wrestle for money.
She was on top of the game. Hell, she kicked a shark's butt, thank God she
was not hurt.
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Today's Topics:
1. Pat Ramsey, RIP (M. N.)
2. rest in peace, Mr. Ramsey (Dave Payne, Elk River Harmonicas)
3. RE: Re: Pat Ramsey (John Balding)
4. Re: Charlie Musslewhite (venkyr@xxxxxxx)
5. re: history (Jonathan Ross)
6. Re: Charlie Musslewhite (Michael Polesky, MPA)
7. Re: Charlie Musslewhite (Dan Berger)
8. Re: re: history (Dave Payne, Elk River Harmonicas)
9. R.I.P. Pat Ramsey (James)
10. Re: re: history (Arthur Jennings)
11. Re: re: history (Roscoe Catania)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:24:59 -0500
From: "M. N." <mnessmith@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Pat Ramsey, RIP
To: list harp <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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To me, Pat WAS blues harmonica, period. I first saw him in 1987 opening for
Johnny Winter in Fort Lauderdale, FL. I was a high school kid and a big
blues nut, but not yet fully into playing harp (though I dug Junior Wells and
Sonny Boy II and Little Walter). Still, when that little unassuming dude with
the big glasses stepped back from his vocal mic and starting blasting,
everything else faded. "This guy is better than Little Walter!" I thought. Obviously,
even Pat would disagree with that - but as a kid of 18 who was just starting
to explore the blues and blues harp, I became a Pat disciple. After a song
or two (I remember he dedicated "Crossroads" to Butterfield, who had just
died), Pat said they were from Tallahassee -- where I was headed off to for
college! I don't remember a thing about Johnny Winter's show that night .... after
The Pat Raamsey Band, nothing else mattered.
Starting that fall when I arrived at FSU as a freshman, I must have seen Pat
and his band dozens of times. It's funny, but for all the ferocious power
that he brought to amplified harp, I have two very different memories, crystal
recollections of Pat making gorgeous, pretty music that made the hair on my
neck stand up. Once was at a jam session when he sang "People Get Ready" with
Pam Laws, a gospel/jazz singer and Tallahassee legend. The other time was
once when Steve Howell busted the head on his bass drum. While Steve was fixing
it, Pat sang a blew some solo harp - I can't remember which song, but it was
a Sonny Boy II tune and it was so perfect and in the pocket. Classic. During
those years in Tallahassee, I got a few chances to speak to Pat, but honestly
I was so star-struck I don't think I ever really got out more than, "Uhh,
you're great, man." I later learned that, during that era, he probably didn't
have much to say either, for reasons all his own.
Fastforward a decade or more and I'm sitting in a blues bar in West Palm
Beach, FL waiting for an open mic jam to start. A bunch of us are at the bar
talking about unsung harp players, guys more people should know. At the same
time, me and some skinny kid next to me said "PAT RAMSEY!" That kid was Jason
Ricci, who later went on to become my friend and teacher. Through Jason, I
eventually met Pat and got to spend some time speaking with him. On my desk right
now is the CD I had Pat autograph, plus my copy of "White, Hot & Blue." For
more than 20 years now I don't think I've gone a week without thinking about
Pat's music. As a harp player he's the guy I keep coming back to. I read once
where baby zebras get the visual impression of their mother's stripes and
they never forget that pattern, it's how they find home after they've wandered
about in the herd. Well, Pat's blues - his blues with a feeling - is that
ingrained in me, it's like those those zebra stripes.
Thanks for everything, Pat. Say hi to Duane and Jimi.
MN
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:29:15 -0800 (PST)
From: "Dave Payne, Elk River Harmonicas" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] rest in peace, Mr. Ramsey
To: Harp L Harp L <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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_________________________________
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Elk River Harmonicas
www.elkriverharmonicas.com
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:11:23 -0500
From: "John Balding" <John.Balding@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [Harp-L] Re: Pat Ramsey
To: "fjm" <bad_hat@xxxxxxxx>, "h-l" <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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fjm wrote: "Anybody of a certain age played that version of Honest I do
over and over again."
My wife and I live in Tallahassee. Pat's son Clyde is a great friend of
mine, as was his dad.
My wife and I owned a pastry shop for years and we made the cake for
Clyde and Carly's wedding. Pat and his guitarist came to the wedding and
played "Honest I Do". Just Pat, his harp and that National guitar under
the gazebo on a beautiful day in a shady park surrounded by flowers,
friends and love.
Of all the times I have ever heard that song, I finally "heard" it that
day.
That's how I will always remember Pat Ramsey and Honest I Do.
John Balding
Tallahassee, FL
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:44:13 -0500 (EST)
From: <venkyr@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Charlie Musslewhite
To: Tom Halchak <thalchak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20081118154413.BIN78614@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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SPAH did him the honors at this years events in St. Louis, Mo. Check out
Charlie's new album- ROUGH DRIED- has some old, some new but new (twists)
nonetheless.
www.myspace.com/harpdad
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:38:45 -0500
From: Jonathan Ross <jross38@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] re: history
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <D4A48628-DBF7-44D1-A89D-105C4784698D@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Dave Payne writes:
"John Ross"
It's Jon, as I mentioned previously.
"You wrote about a Mr. "Bauschman"
I want to know who that is. So I asked you who he was.
You dismiss it as: "A misspelling of Buschmann.""
Exactly, you asked, I answered. Honestly and directly: I made a
mistake, I spelled the name wrong because I didn't bother to look it up.
What you did was make a factual claim here:
"I've heard folks say he invented the Richter, but it was probably
his brother Joseph."
Which you have since recanted claiming to have never actually
believed what you wrote. The difference in terms of honest and
accurate study of history couldn't be greater. Your actions have at
least two explanations. First, if your claim to have not believed in
the Richter invention hypothesis is true, then you were making a
false statement in the sentence I quoted above, perpetuating a myth
which you know to be at best questionable in accuracy. That is not
something an historian should do, at least not without pointing out
the mythical nature of the claim. If, as I think is far more likely
the case based on your actions in this thread (continually dismissing
me for even deigning to point out the problems with this factual
claim), you honestly believed that a Joseph Richter invented the form
when you wrote that, then now that you see that this position is
questionable at best you are lying to try and save face. That is the
exact opposite of what I did. An historian who does that has no
credibility whatsoever.
The difference between our actions in this matter really couldn't be
more stark a contrast.
And for the now probably bored harp-l audience, these differences do
matter. They go to the heart of honesty in academic and intellectual
studies. If the history of the harmonica is important, than the
practice of how it is presented and how it is studied is equally
important. And it must be done with the highest standards, nothing
less. That doesn't mean pedantically footnoting everything one
writes on harp-l--this isn't a scholarly journal and those standards
don't apply. But rather, it means being willing to be challenged on
statements and to deal with these on their face when they come up,
either by giving sources, reasons for suppositions or the like.
Perhaps most importantly, it means being able and willing to freely
and easily admit to being wrong when one makes a mistake.
As for the stuff on nationalism and it's impact on the study of
history, I am simply shocked that you didn't deal with these issues
in classes on historiography when in school. These aren't esoteric
concepts at all.
()() JR "Bulldogge" Ross
() ()
`----'
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:49:29 -0800
From: "Michael Polesky, MPA" <m.polesky@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Charlie Musslewhite
To: "Tom Halchak" <thalchak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <9FC35E4D2CE04C49BF058E246877C8CF@SherriPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
reply-type=original
Hi All,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Halchak" <thalchak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> I simply cannot get enough of "The Harmonica According
> to Charlie Musselwhite". To me, it is the cleanest, tightest sound I have
> ever heard come out of a harmonica. That's just my opinion mind you. To
> those of you who have a more refined ear, am I wrong? I am curious about
> why
> he doesn't get more play, conversationally speaking. I see his name
> mentioned in passing, almost as an afterthought, but rarely do I see the
> kind of praise for his music like I see regarding others. It seems to me
> that he might be, dare I say, persona non grata for some unknown reason.
> Am
> I wrong? Just curious.
While I have often said that I never heard any harp recordings until I had
been playing harp for 20 years, someone bought me a recording of Charlie
Musselwhite's "The Harmonica According to Charlie Musselwhite" when I was in
college. I have been salivating over this recording for more than 20 years
hence. It is truly one of the greatest recordings of all time - and I am a
chromatic guy ;-).
The reason you don't hear that much about Charlie on this list is because
the is no argument there! Everyone knows he is incredible. Also, he really
does get mentioned, with great reverence, all the time in passing. He is
always close in our hearts.
One interesting note about this album is that you would be surprised how
little an effect gear had to do with it. When you are sitting in a room
with Charlie and he pulls out his harp he sounds just like that. It's not
that there isn't a difference, rather that the difference is smaller than
you could possibly imagine. When Charlie plays a note in front of you, your
spine starts to shiver!!
Michael
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:57:18 -0500
From: "Dan Berger" <dberger1@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Charlie Musslewhite
To: <IcemanLE@xxxxxxx>, <thalchak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
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reply-type=original
Musslewhite was on the "Wicked Grin" CD by
John Hammond a couple of years ago. He's only plays
on a couple of songs but sounds great.
The CD is all Tom Waits tunes and was produced by him, it has a really
sparse, cool, sound.
Dan
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:31:23 -0800 (PST)
From: "Dave Payne, Elk River Harmonicas" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] re: history
To: Harp L Harp L <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <571373.38319.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
This thread should have been taken offlist long ago, but you refuse to
communicate offlist, where there is no audience to whom you may showcase your
high-school debating skills.
So, I must respond to you calling me an outright liar onlist: In West
Virginia, calling somebody a liar, especially as you just did, is the most heinous
of offences and it is certainly something one would only dare do from
thousands of miles away via Internet ether. You would never say that to my face.
Yet, considering all that, I sit here not succombing to the fiery passions
of unbridled, medieval anger right now as I should be.
I am simply bored out of my skull.
_________________________________
Dave Payne Sr.
Elk River Harmonicas
www.elkriverharmonicas.com
----- Original Message ----
From: Jonathan Ross <jross38@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:38:45 PM
Subject: [Harp-L] re: history
Dave Payne writes:
"John Ross"
It's Jon, as I mentioned previously.
"You wrote about a Mr. "Bauschman"
I want to know who that is. So I asked you who he was.
You dismiss it as: "A misspelling of Buschmann.""
Exactly, you asked, I answered. Honestly and directly: I made a
mistake, I spelled the name wrong because I didn't bother to look it up.
What you did was make a factual claim here:
"I've heard folks say he invented the Richter, but it was probably
his brother Joseph."
Which you have since recanted claiming to have never actually
believed what you wrote. The difference in terms of honest and
accurate study of history couldn't be greater. Your actions have at
least two explanations. First, if your claim to have not believed in
the Richter invention hypothesis is true, then you were making a
false statement in the sentence I quoted above, perpetuating a myth
which you know to be at best questionable in accuracy. That is not
something an historian should do, at least not without pointing out
the mythical nature of the claim. If, as I think is far more likely
the case based on your actions in this thread (continually dismissing
me for even deigning to point out the problems with this factual
claim), you honestly believed that a Joseph Richter invented the form
when you wrote that, then now that you see that this position is
questionable at best you are lying to try and save face. That is the
exact opposite of what I did. An historian who does that has no
credibility whatsoever.
The difference between our actions in this matter really couldn't be
more stark a contrast.
And for the now probably bored harp-l audience, these differences do
matter. They go to the heart of honesty in academic and intellectual
studies. If the history of the harmonica is important, than the
practice of how it is presented and how it is studied is equally
important. And it must be done with the highest standards, nothing
less. That doesn't mean pedantically footnoting everything one
writes on harp-l--this isn't a scholarly journal and those standards
don't apply. But rather, it means being willing to be challenged on
statements and to deal with these on their face when they come up,
either by giving sources, reasons for suppositions or the like.
Perhaps most importantly, it means being able and willing to freely
and easily admit to being wrong when one makes a mistake.
As for the stuff on nationalism and it's impact on the study of
history, I am simply shocked that you didn't deal with these issues
in classes on historiography when in school. These aren't esoteric
concepts at all.
()() JR "Bulldogge" Ross
() ()
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:35:17 -0500
From: "James" <wasabileo@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] R.I.P. Pat Ramsey
To: <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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I have just been informed that Pat Ramsey has passed away. He will be
missed. A great blues harp player, singer and entertainer. He was a major influence
on Jason Ricci.
http://www.patramsey.com/
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:52:14 -0800
From: "Arthur Jennings" <timeistight@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] re: history
To: "Dave Payne, Elk River Harmonicas" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Harp L Harp L" <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Dave Payne, Elk River Harmonicas <
dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I am simply bored out of my skull.
>
>
You're not the only one, Dave.
--
Arthur Jennings
http://www.timeistight.com
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:03:57 -0500
From: "Roscoe Catania" <rjcataniajr@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] re: history
To: "Dave Payne, Elk River Harmonicas" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Harp L Harp L <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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<6509ce5c0811181503m2b65871bs4acd52001a0e31c7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
*"Me too"
...now its time to sharpen my quantum theories
Uncle Roscoe
*
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Dave Payne, Elk River Harmonicas <
dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> This thread should have been taken offlist long ago, but you refuse to
> communicate offlist, where there is no audience to whom you may showcase
> your high-school debating skills.
>
> So, I must respond to you calling me an outright liar onlist: In West
> Virginia, calling somebody a liar, especially as you just did, is the most
> heinous of offences and it is certainly something one would only dare do
> from thousands of miles away via Internet ether. You would never say that
> to my face.
>
> Yet, considering all that, I sit here not succombing to the fiery passions
> of unbridled, medieval anger right now as I should be.
>
> I am simply bored out of my skull.
>
>
> _________________________________
> Dave Payne Sr.
> Elk River Harmonicas
> www.elkriverharmonicas.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jonathan Ross <jross38@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:38:45 PM
> Subject: [Harp-L] re: history
>
> Dave Payne writes:
>
> "John Ross"
>
> It's Jon, as I mentioned previously.
>
>
> "You wrote about a Mr. "Bauschman"
> I want to know who that is. So I asked you who he was.
> You dismiss it as: "A misspelling of Buschmann.""
>
> Exactly, you asked, I answered. Honestly and directly: I made a
> mistake, I spelled the name wrong because I didn't bother to look it up.
>
> What you did was make a factual claim here:
>
> "I've heard folks say he invented the Richter, but it was probably
> his brother Joseph."
>
> Which you have since recanted claiming to have never actually
> believed what you wrote. The difference in terms of honest and
> accurate study of history couldn't be greater. Your actions have at
> least two explanations. First, if your claim to have not believed in
> the Richter invention hypothesis is true, then you were making a
> false statement in the sentence I quoted above, perpetuating a myth
> which you know to be at best questionable in accuracy. That is not
> something an historian should do, at least not without pointing out
> the mythical nature of the claim. If, as I think is far more likely
> the case based on your actions in this thread (continually dismissing
> me for even deigning to point out the problems with this factual
> claim), you honestly believed that a Joseph Richter invented the form
> when you wrote that, then now that you see that this position is
> questionable at best you are lying to try and save face. That is the
> exact opposite of what I did. An historian who does that has no
> credibility whatsoever.
>
> The difference between our actions in this matter really couldn't be
> more stark a contrast.
>
> And for the now probably bored harp-l audience, these differences do
> matter. They go to the heart of honesty in academic and intellectual
> studies. If the history of the harmonica is important, than the
> practice of how it is presented and how it is studied is equally
> important. And it must be done with the highest standards, nothing
> less. That doesn't mean pedantically footnoting everything one
> writes on harp-l--this isn't a scholarly journal and those standards
> don't apply. But rather, it means being willing to be challenged on
> statements and to deal with these on their face when they come up,
> either by giving sources, reasons for suppositions or the like.
> Perhaps most importantly, it means being able and willing to freely
> and easily admit to being wrong when one makes a mistake.
>
> As for the stuff on nationalism and it's impact on the study of
> history, I am simply shocked that you didn't deal with these issues
> in classes on historiography when in school. These aren't esoteric
> concepts at all.
>
>
>
>
> ()() JR "Bulldogge" Ross
> () ()
> `----'
>
>
>
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