[Harp-L] Re: Kim's seminar
Please let me know if it will be available or if anyone wants to share it. I
have played face to face with him but did not ask questions.
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1. Re: Re: [Harp-L] harp-l google group /buddhasgarden
(Emile D'Amico)
2. Re: Re: The shapes of the covers (David Payne)
3. Re: Re: Blues Harp (David Payne)
4. Re:Meisterklasse (Steve Baker)
5. re: blues harp (Jim Alciere)
6. Re: Re:Meisterklasse (PT Gazell)
7. Re: Sound files clarification re-send (ignore if garbled)
(spschndr@xxxxxxx)
8. Subject: Re: [Harp-L] RE: Blowing too hard.... (EGS1217@xxxxxxx)
9. Re: re: blues harp (David Payne)
10. Thierry Crommen animates a training course in Italy
(christian meuris)
11. Re: Re: [Harp-L] Re:Meisterklasse (Tim Moyer)
12. Re: Blues Harp. Lancer, Orchester, Sp.20, etc.
(MilwHarmonica@xxxxxxx)
13. Re: SuproSupremeFinal sound file & JAYPHAT intro
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:04:29 -0400
From: "Emile D'Amico" <edamico@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: [Harp-L] harp-l google group /buddhasgarden
To: <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <s8770608.080@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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There has been some problems but I was not aware that
you couldn't register. I'll check it out.
Diggs
>>> "john" <jjthaden@xxxxxxxxx> 07/11/08 03:39 AM >>>
Hello, Emile D'Amico,
The 'register' button is greyed out on the registration page, both in
Firefox and IE.
======= At 2008-07-10, 15:58:09 you wrote: =======
>http://www.buddhasgarden.net/index.php
>Try this one over a hundred sound files.
>It takes a minute to join.
>Diggs
>
>>>> <captron100@xxxxxxx> 07/10/08 11:40 AM >>>
>
>fjm wrote:
>
> Attachments are not allowed on harp-l. You
>can however join the harp-l google group and post files all you want and
>anyone can download them. Check out the sound file section. There are
>some gems up there right now. Stephen Schneider's in particular. fjm
>
>
> How do u use the harp-l google group?
> I put in a search for "harp-l google group". Up popped 28 presentations
but I can't get them to
>work. Any sound presentations only lasted about one second. And I couldn't
find any posts by
>Stephen Schneider.
>ron
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:12:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Payne <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Re: The shapes of the covers
To: Harp L Harp L <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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----- Original Message ----
From: Mark Lavoie <lavoie@xxxxxxxxx>
The cool thing about the Hohner MS:system is there are FIVE harmonicas, with
FIVE different Covers, which make a difference in sound. For instance, if
you took a Hohner MS:Blues Harp, then put Big River covers on, it would
sound brighter.
For the two years or so that I played MS, I did just that, I put Big River
covers on everything I had or I made mahogany combs and put them on Big Rivers.
Dave
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:23:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Payne <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Re: Blues Harp
To: Harp L Harp L <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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----- Original Message ----
From: "steve@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <swebb@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Harp-L <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:18:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Re: Blues Harp
In my effort to find an easy way to bend notes, I bought some Blues Harps in
the 70s. I had that problem with caving in the cover plates and then having
them leak in the front. I never did like them much.
Steve Webb in Minnesota
The Seydel Solist is very similar to the old handmade blues harp I used to
play, maybe a reason I like them so much. On this subject of posts, we've been
talking about different covers appearing on the same harp, until about two
years ago, the Seydel Solist was on an unsealed, nailed maple comb (now 7
reedplate screws and sealed beech comb). When it was unsealed, it was virtually
the same as the prewar Seydel Bandmaster I'm so fond of, the reedplates are
still the same, so I'm trying to establish some sort of lineage (will probably
take me through Weltmeister) that has that same reedplate and comb combo
that will take me back to the prewar Bandmaster days.... The Solist reed widths,
shapes, slots are very different from anything else Seydel is doing now, but
I find that other reed shape, widths, slots, Seydel uses on most its harps
on other, Non-Bandmaster prewars. It's just fascinating, I think, how when
everything seems so radically different,
there are some constants.
Dave
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:26:23 +0200
From: Steve Baker <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Re:Meisterklasse
To: Harp-L <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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John Broecker wrote:
Steve Baker:
The Meisterklasse Richter 10-hole diatonic and the Meisterklasse slide
chromatic are both shown in the 1983 Hohner USA catalog, (Ashland
Virginia).They
are displayed in a full-page picture on the front cover of the 1983
catalog,
"Hohner Harmonicas,Melodicas,Accordions."
This may be the case, but I don't believe they were actually released
then. I was sent test models in around 1983 but the development took
some time and I reviewed the newly released MK580 (released in Europe
at any rate) at the beginning of 1985, which is why I named that
date. I don't believe they can have been released much earlier than
late 1984. They were made entirely in Trossingen so Hohner USA is
unlikely to have had them earlier. As you will be aware, Hohner has
been known to announce new models before they've actually been
available,
Steve
Steve Baker
steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.stevebaker.de
www.bluesculture.com
www.youtube.com/stevebakerbluesharp
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:36:29 -0400
From: "Jim Alciere" <jim.alciere@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] re: blues harp
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
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I found all Hohner harps in the past to be leaky, unresponsive, too
quiet, poorly built, and they wore out way too soon. Blues Harps were
the worst of the bunch. Once the Lee Oskars came out, I never looked
back. It's a difference between a harp lasting five years and a harp
lasting a month. If a harp is tight, it will sound brighter. I like a
tight harp.
Mark is correct about lerarning how to get the "sound" out of a harp.
To me, that's the biggest observable difference in tone. He says the
materials can change the tone and you notice it as you become a more
experienced player. Maybe. Mark is a much better musician than I am. I
know Charlie Musselwhite has experimented with different harps, but
I'm too busy wondering how he did what he did to really notice if
there's any difference in tone between his Hohner, days, his Hering
days, and his Lee Oskar days (I have no idea what he's playing now).
I think beyond breathing techniques, the two big differences to your
tone are your equipment, and how you hold the harp. Tight cup and two
12 inch speakers through a low watt tube amp gives a real rock and
roll sound. A low watt amp through a six inch speaker is a different
sound again. A stick mic like an SM57 gives a much different sound
than a green bullet. Unamplified with a hand vibrato is again a
different sound.
If you completely cup the harp, it's hard to see how the cover shape
or design would influence the tone that much.
Rainbow Jimmy
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:01:42 -0500
From: "PT Gazell" <ptgazell@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Re:Meisterklasse
To: "Harp-L" <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <00bc01c8e34d$e2c90170$6501a8c0@missmax>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
John,
Steve is correct about the date. 1985. I was working for Mel McDaniel at the
time and we did a show in Richmond Va. Hohner had by then relocated to that
area from Long Island. Sissy Jones, Jack Kevorkian? and Billy Greenhalgh all
came out to the show and brought me one of the prototypes which I still have.
The reedplates were held together with larger screws and nuts than the final
production model. While I am sure that many players besides myself expressed
the need for a harmonica that we could dis-assemble, Hohner responded with
what I think was one of there absolute best models ever...the Meisterklass. If
I can remember, I will try to bring it with me to St. Louis if anyone wants
to look at it.
See you all at SPAH,
PT Gazell
pt@xxxxxxxxxxxx
www.ptgazell.com
www.myspace.com/ptgazell
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Baker
To: Harp-L
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 6:26 AM
Subject: [Harp-L] Re:Meisterklasse
John Broecker wrote:
Steve Baker:
The Meisterklasse Richter 10-hole diatonic and the Meisterklasse slide
chromatic are both shown in the 1983 Hohner USA catalog, (Ashland
Virginia).They
are displayed in a full-page picture on the front cover of the 1983
catalog,
"Hohner Harmonicas,Melodicas,Accordions."
This may be the case, but I don't believe they were actually released
then. I was sent test models in around 1983 but the development took
some time and I reviewed the newly released MK580 (released in Europe
at any rate) at the beginning of 1985, which is why I named that
date. I don't believe they can have been released much earlier than
late 1984. They were made entirely in Trossingen so Hohner USA is
unlikely to have had them earlier. As you will be aware, Hohner has
been known to announce new models before they've actually been
available,
Steve
Steve Baker
steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.stevebaker.de
www.bluesculture.com
www.youtube.com/stevebakerbluesharp
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:08:24 -0400
From: spschndr@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Sound files clarification re-send (ignore if
garbled)
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <8CAB165F453566C-1C64-176A@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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This one didn't come out right in the digest, so I hope this version is
clean; there's been enough confusion on this issue already. I notice
that fjm is bruiting my real name about; files at the Harp-L Google
Groups site Files page (http://groups.google.com/group/harp-l/files/)
that were uploaded by HTownFess are from me. One can right-click on
sound filenames to save them to your machine for playback if streaming
doesn't work properly for you. BTW, using recording programs like
Audacity to play back such saved mp3s can sometimes give you
interesting visual correlation of what you are hearing in A/B demos
(amplitude, etc.).
There are a couple of performance clips that I think I mentioned onlist
when I posted them. 8403 is my occasional all-tube jam, trying to
re-create the ca. 1950 soundscape with a 25w tube PA for vocals, Kay
hollowbody electric bass, small vintage guitar amps, etc.
SSBlueMid31608 is me playing Dave Nevling's Meteor Mini-Meat amp with
his Blues Kats band, just an amp demo workout on a LW standard.
MysteryHarp might stump even Winslow Yerxa and Rick Dempster, not that
it's necessarily from an area of their research: it's two snippets from
a 1961 single on an obscure record label, songs trying to cash in on
the popularity of Jimmy Reed's sound. You may find it interesting that
it's a white guy playing the harmonica, possibly the earliest such
commercially recorded example of the postwar Chicago style; he's also
singing, and plays the lead guitar on the second snippet as well.
Hints: He actually had a single out in 1960 on Chess Records' Argo
subsidiary, he played the guitar on a classic that Rob Paparozzi loves
to cover, and you already know what he looks like.
I have been posting a cycle of sound clips involving impedance matching
that I will explain in separate & hopefully nongarbled posts. They
start with SuproSupremeFinal, which began as a demo of harp mods to my
brother's 1947 Supro Supreme but wound up being a graphic illustration
of impedance matching issues with vintage mics, and one way to solve
those. It transcends the category of gear-wonkery by showing how
proper impedance matching can audibly clarify the articulation of your
hand movements if you play in a cupped-mic style, projecting the
expressiveness of your playing better if you happen to use your hands
that way.
All these files will be taken down/moved elsewhere before long, so if
anyone in the future is reading this in the archives, the files in
question may not appear at the Google Groups page. Boy, it feels weird
to write that. Meanwhile, I'll wait to see whether this comes out
clean in the digest before posting anything else.
Stephen Schneider
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:26:13 EDT
From: EGS1217@xxxxxxx
Subject: Subject: Re: [Harp-L] RE: Blowing too hard....
To: winslowyerxa@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <c68.2f192cbb.35a83ae5@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Winslow, I found this:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfxIDPqb00s_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfxIDPqb00s)
an entirely different video..but there you are, conducting and then playing
harmonica....3/4 of the way through there is a closer view of you
playing...the sound isn't optimum (never is when someone's taping from a
distance from
the stage)...
Elizabeth
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:23:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Payne <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] re: blues harp
To: Harp L Harp L <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Alciere <jim.alciere@xxxxxxxxx>
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 7:36:29 AM
Subject: [Harp-L] re: blues harp
snip
know Charlie Musselwhite has experimented with different harps, but
I'm too busy wondering how he did what he did to really notice if
there's any difference in tone between his Hohner, days, his Hering
days, and his Lee Oskar days (I have no idea what he's playing now).
Charlie is playing Seydel.
Dave
__________________
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Elk River Harmonicas
www.elkriverharmonicas.com
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:24:17 +0000 (GMT)
From: christian meuris <blitzcr1s@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Thierry Crommen animates a training course in Italy
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <154322.69301.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hi all,
Friend of mine Thierry Crommen (diatonic and chromatic) animates with
Stephan Sanseverino a Swing training course of Monday 25 Sunday August
till 31 August 2008 in Urbino (Italy).
The framework is superb, the comfortable place (service hotel -
swimming pool), food is delicious and the charming reception.
The airport more procche is that of
Bologna (Forli) and accounts for 1 hour 30 of the place.
If you cannot whatà to doà your
holidays, you precipitate (many places limited) on this bond.
www.guitarestage.com
Thierry Crommen myspace :
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=1600
36016
Peace, Cris
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:38:32 -0000
From: "Tim Moyer" <wmharps@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: [Harp-L] Re:Meisterklasse
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <g57k88+rpjh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
PT Gazell wrote:
> Sissy Jones, Jack Kevorkian? and Billy Greenhalgh all came out to
> the show and brought me one of the prototypes which I still have.
> <snip>
> If I can remember, I will try to bring it with me to St. Louis if
> anyone wants to look at it.
I'd love to see it. I agree with PT that this was one of the best
Hohner harmonicas ever. I have a set of them that I cherish.
-tim
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:41:59 EDT
From: MilwHarmonica@xxxxxxx
Subject: [Harp-L] Re: Blues Harp. Lancer, Orchester, Sp.20, etc.
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <c84.2ee1eba4.35a8af17@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Hello, Hohner harpers.
This is a correction to my posting on the Blues Harp, Lancer, Orchester,
etc.
In the paragraph that starts, "The oldest Hohner diatonic 10-hole Richter
system harp that I've heard of.."
please insert the words,"plastic-combed," after the word, "oldest," to read
as follows:
The oldest Hohner plastic-combed diatonic 10-hole Richter system harp that
I've heard of...
Sorry for the mistake.
John Broecker
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:28:25 -0400
From: spschndr@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] SuproSupremeFinal sound file & JAYPHAT intro
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <8CAB17121D290C5-1C64-1BB2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed
To Hal Iwan and anyone else who's wondering: Yes, the amps in the cycle
of sound clips have got some tweaks, but those just highlight what is
happening at the input end. I will detail the amp tweaks at the
initial mention of each amp.
The SuproSupremeFinal clip I put up on the Harp-L parking lot at
http://google.com.groups/group/harp-l/files/ grew into a series of
clips demonstrating some microphone impedance matching issues.
(Right-clicking on the filename will let you save the file to your
machine for playback if streaming doesn't work right.) For those of
you whose eyes glaze over at the mention of amplified gear, the clear
finding on these clips is that proper impedance matching for your
microphone can greatly accentuate your hand effects as you play,
amplifying not only your volume level but the expressive aspects of
your playing as well, making the whole rig more an extension of your
instrument.
These clips involve an outboard impedance matching box designed/built
by my friend Greg Schlacter ca. 2001. What it does is buffer a
high-impedance mic from everything downstream of it, and provide a
steady high impedance loading for the mic element, minimizing loss of
signal to ground and maximizing the micÃââs tone. More on the box in the
next post.
SuproSupremeFinal is my brotherÃââs 1947 Supro Supreme amp I was
overhauling for sale, temporarily modified for harp with 0.1mfd
coupling c
aps (to fatten tone) and no bypass cap on the input stage (to
reduce preamp gain). The first filter cap is 47 mfd; screen filter is
20; preamp filter is 10 mfd. This amp model has push-pull 6V6GTs with
6SC7 inverter and 6J7 input tube, 5Y3GT rectifier, plus a 10Ãâ field
coil speaker; very common postwar amp sold as Supro, National, Valco,
Oahu, McKinney, I think Bronson, and more, as Hal mentions; the
earliest ones have no tone knob. It is basically a 6V6 version of the
National amp that influenced Gerald WeberÃââs Kendrick harp amp design.
1947Supro at the Files page is a photo of this amp. You can find a
schematic for this design by following the Amp Schematics link at the
Weber VST Amps forum to Supro and Supreme. A design quirk is that it
has a very low input impedance of 100K; that dumps a lot of mic signal
off to ground, really doesnÃâât let older hi-Z mic designs do their best
work.
You will hear this to a comical degree when I switch to the MC-151
crystal mic w/ 5Meg volume pot, as both the lows and the overall level
disappear. Using the outboard impedance box changes that dramatically.
Using a controlled magnetic (CM) element straight in sounds pretty
good, but listen carefully to what happens on the 4D when I add the
impedance box: the sound with my hands open expands dramatically. The
impedance box doesnÃâât induce serious feedback problems wit
h either
mic--I was standing closer to the amp than I would on a stage--but it
really emphasizes what IÃââm doing with my hands as I play.
I returned the Supreme to guitar mode after making this clip, so it
doesn't show up on the others. On this clip I am playing a Bb Joe
Spiers custom MB in 7-limit just intonation tuning; the A and D harps
on the other clips are MBs I customized myself, also in 7-limit JI
tuning. I tried to play repetitive old-school bits with tonal
exaggeration on these clips to emphasize the A/B differences. Sorry if
it gets boring. Youtube addicts are encouraged to print out the photo
file of the 1947 Supro amp and stare at the photo while listening to
the Supro file, which is not much different than watching some Youtube
amp clips.
Stephen Schneider
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