Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Popper-esque phenom
For what it's worth...when someone posts a YouTube video here...and then
others join in to make comments (especially negative ones) about and or directly
TO the person playing IN those videos...it's completely illogical and
serves no real purpose if your intent is to "teach" the player just what he is
doing 'wrong' (in your professional estimation, that is)...since he isn't
reading your comments.
The player in question isn't a member of Harp-L as far as anyone can
determine...he put his videos on YouTube, not harp-l, and there is a place ON
YouTube right there under each video for comment. While I still don't understand
(and no one so far has satisfactorily been able to explain to me) the
seeming necessity in the harmonica community of 'some' harmonica players (out of
all other musicians) feeling the need to criticize other harmonica players,
dissecting their videos negatively seems especially egregious (in my humble
opinion). Did this young guy ask for your criticisms here?
As a matter of fact, one can not only post comments on YouTube, but even
post VIDEO comments ..i.e. your own videos...perhaps to counteract his...show
him just how it's done ... (somewhat akin to: putting your money where your
mouth is?) ;) How about it? All those who make a negative comment...put your
OWN video up as proof whereof you speak? I would most definitely be
interested in seeing those! I'm sure I'd learn an awful lot from the comparisons of
"right way vs. wrong way", since I'm a newbie diatonic player and need to know
these important distinctions.
Posting your dissection of his playing here strikes me as a bit unfair,
since it smacks somewhat of gossiping behind someone's back...while the gossipee
isn't aware he/she is being talked about so negatively. Whereas putting your
comments right there on his site will at the very least allow him a counter
response and serve to carry the courage of your convictions, n'est-ce-pas?
Elizabeth
P.S. His specifically described "jazz" version of Stairway to Heaven (on
diatonic, no less)..seemed quite different and unusual enough to give a
listen..and actually triggered an interest in me to try it on Chromatic...but in no
way made me feel the song should be "left alone". Why? Who decides when and
for how long a song should or should not be played? NOW we have "Rock song
police"? Geez.
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:54:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Fertig <drfertig@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Popper-esque phenom
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All respect to Kiley for his efforts. 3 points come to mind:
1. Playing with your mouth. So many blues harp players use their mouth,
instead of their gut /diaphragm and glottus, to control their sound, and thus
miss tone, depth and smoothness.
Seems to me that if one's mouth (save tongue!) is almost neutral as an air
conduit, and one pushes the air from the bottom of one's gut (I mean diaphragm
or even stomach), and shapes the airstream with one's throat (I mean
glottus?), deeper tone and mellower vibrato can be achieved.
2. Kiley: Too many notes, man! Kick back! How can you pull soul through a
note if it's zipping by at 32 to the bar?
3. Youtube is an amazing resource, thank goodness it's indexed and
searchable else it would be impenetrable!
-Dave Fertig
ps: no, I don't get Popper, vive la difference!
"Emile D'Amico" <EDAmico@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Popper-esque phenom
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Lots of speed but lacking in the tone area.
Emile Diggs D'Amico
>>> "Jonathan Hill" <jonathan.f.hill@xxxxxxxxx> 09/06/07 10:04AM >>>
I searched through all my old harp-l messages for reference to this guy, but
didn't see any.
This kid's playing is very reminiscent of Popper, but he doesn't quite have
Popper's control yet.
I did like his jazzy version of Stairway to Heaven. Sounds like 3rd position
to me. My ears aren't
quick enough to discern whether he's doing any overblowing or not, so I'd be
curious to hear what
others think about that.
Anyhow, his name is Kiley Barter and here's his youtube page.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Harmonicasex85
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 05:30:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: martin oldsberg <martinoldsberg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Re: Popper-esque
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Well, to each his own (after listening to "Stairway"). That kind of playing
tends to give me a headache: he seems short of ideas and compensates for this
with a repeated speed lick and goes on way too long. Also, as Emile says,
not very impressive in the tone department.
There are quite a lot of players out there nowadays who can do stuff like
that (sometimes I think I may be one of them) and that at least makes the
(diatonic) harmonica world if not a better place musically, certainly more
diversified and interesting than, say, 15-20 yrs ago.
But isn´t "Stairway" one of those songs that should be left alone to rest
peacefully for a generation or two?
Says,
Martin
Lots of speed but lacking in the tone area.
Emile Diggs D'Amico
>>> "Jonathan Hill" 09/06/07 10:04AM >>>
I searched through all my old harp-l messages for reference to this guy, but
didn't see any.
This kid's playing is very reminiscent of Popper, but he doesn't quite have
Popper's control yet.
I did like his jazzy version of Stairway to Heaven. Sounds like 3rd position
to me. My ears aren't
quick enough to discern whether he's doing any overblowing or not, so I'd be
curious to hear what
others think about that.
Anyhow, his name is Kiley Barter and here's his youtube page.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Harmonicasex85
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