Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Popper-esque phenom



For what it's worth...when someone posts a YouTube video here...and then  
others join in to make comments (especially negative ones) about and  or directly 
TO the person playing IN those videos...it's completely  illogical  and 
serves no real purpose if your intent is to "teach" the  player just what he is 
doing 'wrong' (in your professional estimation, that  is)...since he isn't 
reading your comments.
 
The player in question isn't a member of Harp-L as far as anyone can  
determine...he put his videos  on YouTube, not harp-l, and there is a  place ON 
YouTube right there under each video for comment.   While I  still don't understand 
(and no one so far has satisfactorily been able to  explain to me) the 
seeming necessity in the harmonica community of 'some'  harmonica players (out of 
all other musicians) feeling the need to criticize  other harmonica players, 
dissecting their videos negatively seems  especially egregious (in my humble 
opinion).  Did this young guy ask for  your criticisms here?
 
As a matter of fact, one can not only post comments on YouTube, but even  
post VIDEO comments ..i.e. your own videos...perhaps to counteract his...show  
him just how it's done ... (somewhat akin to: putting your money where your  
mouth is?)  ;)  How about it?  All those who make a negative  comment...put your 
OWN video up as proof whereof you speak? I would most  definitely be 
interested in seeing those!  I'm sure I'd learn an awful lot  from the comparisons of 
"right way vs. wrong way", since I'm a  newbie diatonic player and need to know 
these important  distinctions. 
 
Posting your dissection of his playing here strikes me as a  bit unfair, 
since it smacks somewhat of gossiping behind  someone's back...while the gossipee 
isn't aware he/she is being talked about so  negatively.  Whereas putting your 
comments right there on his site will at  the very least allow him a counter 
response and serve to carry the  courage of your convictions, n'est-ce-pas?
 
Elizabeth
 
P.S.  His specifically described "jazz" version of Stairway to  Heaven (on 
diatonic, no less)..seemed quite different and unusual enough to give  a 
listen..and actually triggered an interest in me to try it on Chromatic...but  in no 
way made me feel the song should be "left alone".   Why?  Who decides when and 
for how long a song should or should  not be played?  NOW we have "Rock song 
police"? Geez.
 
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:54:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: David  Fertig <drfertig@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Popper-esque  phenom
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All respect to Kiley for his efforts.  3 points  come to mind:

1.  Playing with your mouth.  So many blues harp  players use their mouth, 
instead of their gut /diaphragm and glottus, to control  their sound, and thus 
miss tone, depth and smoothness.  

Seems to me  that if one's mouth (save tongue!) is almost neutral as an air 
conduit, and one  pushes the air from the bottom of one's gut (I mean diaphragm 
or even stomach),  and shapes the airstream with one's throat (I mean 
glottus?), deeper tone and  mellower vibrato can be achieved.   

2. Kiley: Too many notes,  man!  Kick back!  How can you pull soul through a 
note if it's zipping  by at 32 to the bar?   

3. Youtube is an amazing resource,  thank goodness it's indexed and 
searchable else it would be impenetrable!  

-Dave Fertig

ps: no, I don't get Popper, vive la  difference!


"Emile D'Amico" <EDAmico@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re:  [Harp-L] Popper-esque phenom 
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Lots of speed  but lacking in the tone area.

Emile Diggs D'Amico

>>>  "Jonathan Hill" <jonathan.f.hill@xxxxxxxxx> 09/06/07 10:04AM  >>>
I searched through all my old harp-l messages for reference to  this guy, but
didn't see any.

This kid's playing is very reminiscent  of Popper, but he doesn't quite have
Popper's control yet.
I did like his  jazzy version of Stairway to Heaven. Sounds like 3rd position
to me. My ears  aren't
quick enough to discern whether he's doing any overblowing or not, so  I'd be
curious to hear what
others think about that.

Anyhow, his  name is Kiley Barter and here's his youtube  page.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Harmonicasex85



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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 05:30:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: martin oldsberg  <martinoldsberg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Re: Popper-esque
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Well, to each his own (after listening to "Stairway").  That kind of playing 
tends to give me a headache: he seems short of ideas and  compensates for this 
with a repeated speed lick and goes on way too long. Also,  as Emile says, 
not very impressive in the tone department. 
There are quite a lot of players out there nowadays who can do stuff like 
that  (sometimes I think I may be one of them) and that at least makes the 
(diatonic)  harmonica world if not a better place musically, certainly more 
diversified and  interesting than, say, 15-20 yrs ago.

But  isn´t "Stairway" one of those songs that should be left alone to rest 
peacefully  for a generation or two?

Says,
Martin



Lots of speed but lacking in the tone  area.

Emile Diggs D'Amico

>>> "Jonathan Hill" 09/06/07  10:04AM >>>
I searched through all my old harp-l messages for  reference to this guy, but
didn't see any.

This kid's playing is very  reminiscent of Popper, but he doesn't quite have
Popper's control yet.
I  did like his jazzy version of Stairway to Heaven. Sounds like 3rd position
to  me. My ears aren't
quick enough to discern whether he's doing any overblowing  or not, so I'd be
curious to hear what
others think about  that.

Anyhow, his name is Kiley Barter and here's his youtube  page.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Harmonicasex85  
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