RE: [Harp-L] C7 +4 ????

["Rick Dempster" <rick.dempster@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Many thanks for the reply Michael; 
                                                        Checking Winslow's post I see this: " In this incarnation it's better called a raised 11 (7#11) chord"; and yes, I did apprehend that he was talking about the sharp 4th, and still I say 'I don't get it' or 'I can't hear it'. 
                                                        The flat 5th, I get; but I don't 'get' what he's talking about here and I cant hear the 11th as a sound in itself in the way I can hear a 9th or 13th or just about any other chord I can think of.
                                                        Doesn't matter; the good thing for me in playing music is there's always something else to 'get', if you want to.
Cheers,
RD


>>> Michael Peloquin <peloquinharp@xxxxxxxxxxx> 15/11/2007 15:35 >>>

> From: rick.dempster@xxxxxxxxxxx> Winslow;> Can you give some specific examples of the use of both the 11th chord and the raised 11th? I know about this stuff in theory, but I fail to 'hear' it. > 7ths major & minor, 9ths, natural, sharp & flat and 13ths I can understand, hear, and use.> An eleventh just sounds like a suspended 4th to me; like we're drifting into another key ahead of time.> A raised 11th is a complete mystery to me. I'm sure I've heard it, but it didn't 'strike a chord' hahaha!> I suspect the inability to hear these sounds is why the Lydian mode, built on the 4th of the major scale (like the Locrian too, which I don't 'get') is someting that makes no sense to me.> > Regards,> RD
Rick,
I don't know if this helps but;
the + (plus) sign in this case is (wrongly IMO) to mean SHARP (#) 11(4)
not ADD 4
On a dominant chord (or any chord with a major 3rd) you would not want to use a 4th or 11th- it will clash with the major 3rd and yes, 
"like we're drifting into another key ahead of time."
 
I think Mr Winxa did answer this already, except at one point he referred to it only as an 11, not a sharp 11.
 
Hope I was any help.Michael Peloquin http://www.harpsax.comhttp://www.myspace.com/harpsax_______________________________________________ 
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