Re: Hering Vintage 1923

[gary <garybond@xxxxxxx>]

Hi  Bob

The reason I'm interested is that I find that I'm doing more chording in my 
playing and my LO's don't sound that good. I have a couple of Special 20's 
that sound better, so I'm just wondering if these 1923's sound even better at 
chording? And is there any trade off's with this?

Thanks Gary

On Friday 08 August 2003 06:20 am, Bob Maglinte wrote:
> Hi Gary,
> Full just intonation in the most VERY technical terms is not entirely
> correct, but what it IS referring to is what the correct term is 7 limit
> just intonation. In this setup, every single note on the harmonica is
> "justified" so that all the notes in every chord and double stop played is
> smooth and doesn't waver or beat anywhere from top to bottom. The Hering
> Vintage uses this particular just intonation as did the hand made Marine
> Bands and Special 20's until 1985. The hand made Marine Bands and Special
> 20's uses what technically correct in terminology called 10 limit just,
> which is more of a compromise between the original 7 limit just that Hohner
> used and equal so that the chords and double stops are smoother, yet not
> quite as smooth as the original 7 limit, but is a bit closer to equal. If
> you play beyond the first 3 or 4 positions, and much of your phrasing is
> 99% linear, this or equal may work better for you. If you are into the old
> blues harp masters like both Walters and both Sonny Boys, the original 7
> limit just (to many this is full just), this is the tuning that was being
> used on the harps they played, and they were (for diatonics) usually the
> hand made Marine Bands, or the pre-1990 wood combed Old Standby (not the
> Chinese made Special 20 knock off that's been in production for the last
> 10-13 years). In fact, if you want to see the formula of the tuning, check
> out
> http://www.harmonicalinks.com and there's an article written by Hohner
> product manager Rick Epping. If you want to hear the difference between
> equal and the original 7 limit just Hohner stopped using and what the
> Hering Vintage Harps use, go to http://www.patmissin.com and he has some
> excellent sound files there. The reason Hohner changed the type of just
> intonation they used was mainly because of players using the diatonic in
> areas that were once considered the exclusive realm of the chromatic with
> different techniques like overblow/overdraw and use of bends in ways that
> hadn't been done before, and a large number of these players had complained
> about the tuning, and also partly because of the newer readily available
> chromatic tuners (hardly anybody but a select few even knew what a strobe
> tuner was) and many thought the harps were out of tune, but didn't know
> and/or understand the nature of the tuning scheme. When I started out back
> in the early 70's, Hohner's US market share was close to 95%, and until
> 1974-75 when the Golden Melody appeared with its equal tuning, ALL 10  hole
> diatonics were tuned like the way the Hering Vintage is tuned to.
>
> ----- Original Messager -----
> From: "gary" <garybond@xxxxxxx>
> To: <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 1:55 AM
> Subject: Hering Vintage 1923
>
> > The hering vintage 1923 is a "full just intonation" Can someone explain
>
> the
>
> > differences between this and a regular hohner marine band?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Gary
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