Re: [Harp-L] Re: BRAND NEW CONCEPT IN EFFECTS PROCESSORS--Zoom MS-100BT MultiStomp Effects Pedal with Bluetooth | Sweetwater.com

[Mike <mikefugazzi@xxxxxxxxx>]

I forgot NAMM is this month.  I wonder what will come out for modelling.  I 
might hold off on the G5.  I ordered one and it won't ship until next week 
as it was on backorder from musiciansfriend.com.  If something from 
Digitech or another big name competes with the M9, I might just go all 
effects with the Sansamp.  

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 10:27:51 AM UTC-6, Mike wrote:
>
> I've spent the last several weeks checking out the Zoom gear and have even 
> found a few harp players that have used them, or humoured me be posting 
> clips of them playing with them.  This was enough for me to go ahead and 
> order a Zoom G5.
>
> Having used various multi-FX boxes from several companies, I found, that 
> for my tastes, the best route was separate pedal and amp functionality.  I 
> haven't played out a ton this last year, but traditionally I have either 
> played with full rock bands or done solo looping.  It is paramount to have 
> easy amp and effect controls to access throughout the night.  Not easily 
> tweaking the amp sounds is a huge turn off.
>
> The Line 6 HD series offered the best layout for me, and I was good with 
> the M series effects, but there was too much tweaking in the amp section 
> relative to the sound I wanted.  I basically want a clean sound and don't 
> find a huge need for a separate dirty channel, etc.  In the end, especially 
> with looping, it was way easier to use a M9 and Tech 21 Sans amp (I 
> wouldn't hesitate to use a different "amp" pedal, but that is what I had).  
>
> I have had two RP255's and Richard's patches which are great for their 
> value and sound.  However, I prefer a pedal board-like layout with effects. 
>  The G5 would appear to be relatively easy to tweak, and should I not 
> easily find an amp model to use, I can use the Sans Amp Para DI to color my 
> sound (already have it).
>
> It is SUPER easy to create a custom list of Hunter patches to eventually 
> get to everything there on the DT, but I felt for tweakability and access, 
> the M9/G5 layout works better.   I hate scrolling and may find in my return 
> window that the G5 is still too much scrolling.
>
> One thing the M9 and DT can't do are pitch shifted delays.  The G5 can and 
> I've heard them with harmonica...something that is a huge selling point for 
> me.  I wanted good mods, which the G5 has, and good delays.  I don't worry 
> as much about reverb or pitch shift effects, although they work well there 
> too.  I was looking at EVERYTHING on the market that would cover my needs 
> regarding effects...from separate pedals to racks.  I even looked heavily 
> at multiple Eventide pedals, which would have ran well over $600 in the 
> end, and using an iPad.
>
> What it came down to was the Twin Reverb on the G5 sounding useable (maybe 
> the preamp tube will work too), in the hopes of only needing one pedal for 
> grab and go.  Granted, my current rig is on a Pedal Train Mini, but no 
> pitch shifted delays, and some of the mods and fliters on the M9 just 
> aren't very useable.  In contrast, what I've played on the DT and heard 
> from the G5 sound way better in that regard.  The only things on the M9 
> that I would really miss are the particle verb, sweep echo, and Growler. 
>  The G5, or a RP 355 and higher could pretty much do those, though.  The M9 
> is fantastic for delays, some of the verbs, and basic effects - chorus, 
> phaser, etc.  The synths and out there sounds are glitchy as is the bass 
> ocatver.
>
> As I think about it, the M9/Tech 21 is a stellar blues rig if you are 
> looking for a few basic effects.  The DT with Hunters settings seems to be 
> a fantastic recording tool and great live if you only need to bounce around 
> a few things (or are very prepared).  The G5, in theory, would be the best 
> of both worlds.  I dunno...we'll have to see when it comes  in next week. 
>  If it sucks, I will return it, keep my current rig, and get a DT 
> Timebender and live with three different wall warts.
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 7:52:48 AM UTC-6, Richard Hunter wrote:
>>
>> I looked this thing over before I asked for a Zoom G3 for Christmas 
>> (about which you can learn more at hunterharp.com).  It's an interesting 
>> device.  The main reason I avoided it is that the physical structure of the 
>> device is a little cramped for a multi-FX box.  For example, there's a 
>> physical limit of one edit window at a time; on the G3 you've got three, 
>> and you have a dedicated on/off switch for every effect that's visible. 
>>  Only one window means more button pushes and back-and-forth to set up a 
>> new patch using the device itself.  If you're going to do a lot of editing 
>> on the MS-100BT, you need to get close to Zoom's Edit&Share software, which 
>> happens to be a very good tool for editing the Zoom device settings if 
>> you're comfortable working with a computer.   
>>
>> So far as the sound goes, the MS-100BT is running the same FX on the same 
>> chip as the G3/G5, so it should sound pretty good; the G3 does.  I've 
>> checked out two of the Fender amp models in the G3, and they seem workable, 
>> with more inherent distortion than the corresponding RP amp models.  The FX 
>> vary in quality, but there are some very nice things in there. The delays 
>> are very nice; the reverbs are generally not as good as the ones in the 
>> Digitech RPs.  The pitch shifter is a little lower-quality than the one in 
>> the RPs, but you can stack multiple pitch shifters in a row, which is 
>> pretty interesting.  In fact, the most exciting thing about the G3 is that 
>> you can put 6 FX (including an amp model) in any order you like. You've got 
>> more FX on a Digitech RP, but you can't change the order of the FX, or 
>> double up on a particular effect.  So the Zooms have some sound design 
>> possibilities that aren't available on the RP. 
>>
>> I'll pass on more info on the new Zooms as I work through the amp models 
>> and FX.  I think in general that these boxes are potentially interesting 
>> alternatives to the Digitech RPs, but they're going to take just as much 
>> work to configure for harp. 
>>
>> Regards and happy New Year, Richard Hunter 
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>>
>> From: Randy Singer 
>>
>> Sent: Jan 7, 2013 4:18 PM 
>>
>> To: "har...@xxxxxxxxxx" 
>>
>> Cc: richard hunter harmonica 
>>
>> Subject: BRAND NEW CONCEPT IN EFFECTS PROCESSORS--Zoom MS-100BT 
>> MultiStomp Effects Pedal with Bluetooth | Sweetwater.com 
>>
>>
>>
>> just bought this.....will post a review.....amazing idea...it connects 
>> via bluetooth to your smart device so you can download and review settings.
>> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MS100BT 
>>
>>
>>
>>
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