Re: [Harp-L] NAILED MY HOLY GRAIL! DELAYED OCTAVE on the Concerto

[George Miklas <harmonicat@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dave,
I caught it!  Though, I wish we could isolate the harmonica to hear the
delayed octave even better.

George


On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:52 PM, David Payne <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> There is one thing pretty significant that happens at 30 seconds which I
> did not mention. I'm wondering if anybody notices it. If you're dying of
> curiosity, I spelled it out in a post on the Elk River forum, but I'm
> wondering if anybody will catch it here.
>
>
> David Payne
> www.elkriverharmonicas.com
>
>
> Elk River Harmonicas Forum www.elkriverharmonicas.com/forum
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: David Payne <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Harp L Harp L <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 7:39 PM
> Subject: [Harp-L] NAILED MY HOLY GRAIL! DELAYED OCTAVE on the Concerto
>
> Have you ever said you heard or saw something and for years people keep
> telling you "this thing you heard or saw, it does not exist" or at maybe
> you can least imagine what if that were the case? Let's say you got nasally
> probed by space aliens and told folks... they said there are no space
> aliens, it's your imagination, you must be crazy. Then, one day, you're at
> a party and the space aliens land and tell everybody "He was right. We are
> nasal-probing aliens from space." Imagine how you'd feel.
> That stuff never happens, except in the movies.... and except to me a few
> minutes ago. If I'd heard that song 15 minutes earlier, I would never have
> posted Black Magic Woman for the Bluesified Concerto sound sample. I would
> have used this.
>
> There is a technique called the delayed octave, whether that's an apt
> description of it, I don't know, that's just what it's called.  It's a
> really rare technique that only two people I know of can do it, the
> inventor, Dom Sgro, and Phil Caltebellotta. Last time I heard Danny G play,
> he was really close to it and was getting it on some of his octaves.  It's
> a double-stop octave technique where part of the octave pulses in and out.
> It's NOT a beat, one of the notes is delayed and that creates this special
> pulse.
> So, probably 99 percent of players have never even heard of it. Probably
> 90 percent of players can't hear it when it happens. Many people many,
> many, many times have told me when I've pointed out where I've heard it and
> tried to show it have said "you are hearing nothing. this does not exist."
>
> I was listening to the record of Tuesday's Huntington Harmonica Club jam.
> I got to the part where I was playing a lead on "Spooky" and there it was,
> bigger than life, the most extremely obvious delayed octave I've ever
> heard. I don't know how anybody could not possibly not hear this. I was
> playing tongue-block octaves on an Elk River Bluesified Seydel Concerto in
> D, I believe. When .you play a traditional tongue-block octave on a
> Concerto, you are playing four notes spread out over three octaves. Let's
> say you are playing a 1-4 draw split on a C. You would have four reeds
> sounding, a D3, D4, D4, and D5.  I suspect maybe that the combination of
> all these octaves made it possible somehow, because, as a player, I have
> chased this technique for years on the chromatic.  I did not hear the
> octave pulsate when I was playing. But, as I listen to the recording, there
> it is plain as day. In this four-reed octave, three reeds - the lowest reed
> and the two middle
> reeds are ringing like a normal octave. The highest reed, however,
> pulsates, Dom-Sgro style.
>
> And it happened completely by accident. The bad news is, I have no idea
> how I did it, but I have a guess. The first time it pulsed perfectly, then
> it pulsed again kind of off, which makes me think I hit that octave
> mistakenly with too much of a bend embouchure. I don't know. But, believe
> me, I will be doubling my efforts to figure this out and do it on command.
> The delayed-octave pulse is at seconds 28 and 29. The second, lesser pulse
> that goes out of tune is at 00:30. When I play the riff the second time, no
> pulse.
> Somebody this time, please tell me they can hear this delayed-octave
> pulse. Please tell me I am not crazy. I might sound crazy by being so
> excited about this, but I'm sure all can understand the excitement of
> chasing a technique for years and then it finally happens. As a player,
> nothing of this personal magnitude has happened to me since I was about 12
> years old and finally got a draw bend.
>
> http://www.elkriverharmonicas.com/delayedoctaveconcertospooky.mp3
>
>
> Of course, in the back of my mind, there's a fear nobody will be able to
> hear this one, either, I thought the others were really obvious, too. But,
> I'm pretty confident this time.
>
> David Payne
> www.elkriverharmonicas.com
>



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