Re: [Harp-L] How the Turboslide actually works

[Chuck Linville <linvillec@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Seydel Session Steel use stainless steel reeds. Which brings up a good opportunity to debunk a common myth about stainless steel; it's not "non-magnetic."  It's just generally pretty weak, depending on the alloy and how it's worked. But maybe it doesn't take much force to affect how a reed sounds, especially if they are using rare earth magnets.  -chuck

----- Original Message -----
From: Joel Fritz <williemctell@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 13:00:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] How the Turboslide actually works

I'm curious how this works since copper alloys are non-magnetic.  :)

On 6/9/2012 6:27 AM, Chuck Linville wrote:
> "The magnetic force applied to the reed has the same effect as adding weight to the reed.  If you apply magnetic force to the free end, it drops in pitch. If you apply to the rivet end, the reed RAISES in pitch."
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> I like the concept of being able to bend up, David. I recognize that can be done to a degree with overbblows, but I think it would be really exciting to be able to have that available on all notes.
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> Well there you go... put a ring on that tab so your thumb can pull as well as push. Use two sets of magnets. Then you would have a true whammy bar for the harmonica. LOL  -chuck
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Payne <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:34:11 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [Harp-L] How the Turboslide actually works
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> Btw, I think if you applied magnetic force at dead center on the reed, at the theoretical point that adding weight would make it sharp or flat, I think it could flatten by slowing the reed down... I dont have precise enough magnets on my fridge to do it. But I thought it was interesting that you could tune with a magnet. The tonal change thing, though, was completely unexpected.
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> On Jun 8, 2012, at 16:15, David Payne <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> I saw Brendan's video with the Turbo Slide harmonica and that got me wondering how it works.. and I watched Dr. Antaki's video that said the magnetic force "softened the springiness of the reed." That explanation didn't really click in my head, so I pulled this strong magnet off the refrigerator, took a Seydel with some steel reeds and did some experimenting to see what's going on.
>> My findings:
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>> The magnetic force applied to the reed has the same effect as adding weight to the reed.  If you apply magnetic force to the free end, it drops in pitch. If you apply to the rivet end, the reed RAISES in pitch.
>>   I noticed that on Antaki's videos the bends sounded a little sharp, from my experiments I could never get the reed to go down a full half step. In my experiments it approached around 25 cents sharp, the reeds choked and there was nothing I could do about it, they just flat choked - if you were using a magnet a little more appropriately chosen than one you just pulled off the fridge, I would assume you could get a little flatter - but to me, it is obvious there is a bending floor.
>> Now what is really interesting to me- if you apply a weaker magnetic force at a specific point - the only way I could vary the strength of the magnetic field was by varying distance, something weird happens. Before the field becomes strong enough to change the pitch- right at the point where it happens, there is a significant change in tone. It's as significant as when you close a side vent, there's a loss of treble. This could only be because of a change in air flow and I find it very interesting.
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>> David Payne
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