Re: Subject: [Harp-L] young artist on YouTube

[Randy Pugmeister <pugmeister@xxxxxxxxx>]

She is awesome.  Thank you all for sharing.  I recently gave a harmonica to
my seven year old nephew.  I enjoyed forwarding the YouTube link to his
mom,  and telling her we had been start Geo's lessons right away!
Happy Holidays to All,
Randy

Randy
On Dec 13, 2012 9:58 AM, <harp-l-request@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 09:11:01 +0000 (GMT)
> From: MARK BURNESS <markwjburness@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Butterfield a u-blocker???
> To: Cara Cooke <cyberharp@xxxxxxxxx>, "harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx"
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> I have been shown a curled tongue embuchure by two flautists (not of any
> repute, incidences were 25yrs apart) both local to me & may have been
> advised by the same tutor, but did not know each other directly). I'm not
> suggesting that this is in any way standard practice for the flute, nor
> associating any kind of provenance with regard to Butterfield...but maybe
> we'd consider that even within the main embouchures used by harp players, I
> know people who attach the instrument to their face in a manner that no one
> else to my knowledge does.
>
> What Butterfield did do was really breath from the diaphragm, doing this
> with any embouchure (let's face it all pucker players don't sound the same,
> neither do TB'ers...my philosophy is "if you have to ask, you can't
> tell...what's good is good") is going to improve your game.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Cara Cooke <cyberharp@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, 13 December 2012, 2:29
> Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Butterfield a u-blocker???
>
> I have no idea how he played.  However, I would submit to you that playing
> the flute is no indication as to his choices in harmonica embouchures.  I
> played the french horn and I U-block.  U-blocking has no place with the
> french horn either.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Tom Ellis <tellis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > I doubt it.  His initial training was as a flautist, where u-blocking has
> > no
> > place.  None of the people I interviewed indicated he did anything other
> > than lip playing except for octaves, etc.  However almost all of them,
> who
> > understood harmonica technique, told me could tongue block anytime he
> > wanted.  U-blocking is highly doubtful from my research..TOM ELLIS/Tom's
> > Mics
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:00:11 -0800 (PST)
> From: Larry Sandy <slyou65@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Subject: [Harp-L] young artist
> To: JersiMuse <jersimuse@xxxxxxxxx>, harp-l <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
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> Jersi,
> Her name is Lydia VanderVate.  She and her siblings are available for hire
> at  http://realentertaining.com .  I do not know where they call home but
> would love to see them perform.
>
> Lockjaw Larry
> Breathing Music daily
>
>
>
> From:JersiMuse <jersimuse@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: EGS1217@xxxxxxx; harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:39 AM
> Subject: RE: Subject: [Harp-L] young artist
>
> On the video you propose Elisabeth, one can observe her perfect use of her
> diaphragm, for each single note.
> It is a very good demonstration of a mastered playing, opening the "air
> column" from top to bottom.
> Very interesting !
>
> Do you know her last name ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerome
> www.youtube.com/JersiMuse
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : harp-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:harp-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] De la
> part
> de EGS1217@xxxxxxx
> Envoyé : mercredi 12 décembre 2012 17:28
> À : harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
> Objet : Subject: [Harp-L] young artist
>
> I like her playing here better:
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSkXlA37RtE
>
> And this is a clip of the whole family playing together as a group so you'd
> likely have to invite all of them to play at SPAH (how do you tell a small
> child the rest of her siblings don't 'qualify'?).
>
> _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLsogs1oNb0_
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLsogs1oNb0)
>
>
> Lydia also plays piano (there are other clips of her doing so).  The video
> you showed was from 2010--she's at least a year+ older,  now.
>
>
> Obviously all four girls play instruments so their parents are likely
> already steering their girls towards music lessons: Lydia is holding the
> harmonica better in the Danny Boy video which implies some kind of  proper
> instruction.
>
>
> I'd suggest that she isn't 'quite' ready for a SPAH at this stage
> (especially the 50th Anniversary) since most of the videos I've just
> watched
> of  her playing solo are snippets of songs and small children tend to get
> lost  in the shuffle at a SPAH unless it's the specific single matinee
> morning. I think she too might benefit far more a couple of years down the
> road,  don't you think?
>
>
> Observation over the years tells me that kids in the 12+ age  group seem to
> stick with harmonica the longest and get the most out  of a SPAH (or other
> harmonica Convention) adventure since smaller kids can  quickly become
> bored
> with what seems to them the interminable and overall  'adult' theme. Of
> course there are exceptions to every rule, but that's just my  humble
> opinion.
>
> That said, I think she's adorable and hope she does stick with it to become
> a phenomenal 21st Century woman harp player and all/round musician.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:11:57 -0800 (PST)
> From: Mike <mikefugazzi@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Small High-Tech Harmonica Makers: The Future?
> To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: 'harp-l' <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>, bren@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <eb7d7b1a-8349-4523-bdac-7a022950f053@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
> The immediate future is in aftermarket upgrades for niche players due to
> accessibility of technology.  Reed material, tuning, combs, covers, and
> personalization are all solid niches right now.  That being said, those are
> things that make little sense for large companies to put a lot of resources
> into due to costs and relatively small sales.  We've seen a burst in
> "professional" grade harps in the $40+ range that rival what many custom
> builders were doing 10+ years ago.
>
> It generally takes a 100 years to make a large scale paradigm shift.  Two
> harp examples would be the Marine Band 1896 and Seydel 1847.  The Marine
> Band has not had a significant change in design in over 100 years...just
> little tweaks in design and materials.  The 1847 is groundbreaking in the
> use of steel, but is generally considered to be a regular diatonic
> harmonica.
>
> In the grand scheme of things, the yearning to do more on the diatonic is
> relatively new and only a small percentage of players are hip to the idea.
>   This is probably advantageous to smaller cottage industries.  The SUB 30
> is a great example of a step forward, and hopefully niche markets can begin
> to support a larger paradigm change where quality and consistency aren't
> the only focus of the 10 hole diatonic.  While I am inclined to believe it
> will do so, that will take quite a bit of time.  If you follow the bell
> curve of paradigm shift, the percentage of early adopters is relatively
> small.  It takes years and generations to really establish a new approach.
>
> Following overbending as an example is quite fascinating.  It is something
> that is relatively easy to setup and do (well, overblows in most keys are)
> relative to the overall playablity of a current production harp.  That
> being said, the overwhelming majority of players have nothing to do with
> the technique and still insist it is extremely difficult both technique and
> gear wise.  Now again, I am talking functionality relative to the standard
> of most harps from the factory - I am not saying the situation is optimal.
>  We could discuss the impact of alloys, production, and quality control and
> how it made overbending difficult relative today, but let's not.  Let's
> look at it from just one very small shift in thinking.
>
> It is often brought up that overbends are note that aren't supposed to be
> there and they sound too different in pitch and timbre from the other notes
> to be considered useable.  This is not a strawman argument and a search of
> the archives would confirm that.  However, it is now accepted that draw and
> blow bends, the very corner stone of blues playing in cross harp, are an
> absolutely paramount aspect of how we judge harp quality and an immediate
> prerequisite to proficient playing.
>
> However, the diatonic was NOT designed to draw and blow bend in the EXACT
> same way it wasn't designed to overbend.  It just happens you can.  In
> addition, those bends for 100% change the timbre of the instrument, and the
> construction of the instrument varies the ability of a player to control
> those bends.  Also, it is WIDELY accepted that those bent notes need not be
> in pitch with other instruments to sound "right", or as they are generally
> referred to, "bluesy".
>
> To a rational non-harmonica player, traditional bends and overbends would
> easily be perceived as the same thing in almost every regard, yet harmonica
> players for years have insisted that they are different.  It is only just
> starting to become more sociably acceptable to use them, etc.  And the sad
> truth is only a sliver of harmonica players would have any clue what I am
> even talking about.
>
> Point of long post being:  We are at the beginning of a large paradigm
> shift in diatonic harmonica playing that has begun in the last 15-25 years.
>  As more and more of the masses have access to these changes - not everyone
> can order a harp from Joe Filisko - more and more people will pursue and
> many will take hold.  If music were to survive another 100 years, and pop
> music would lend me to be skeptical, I would bet we'd see a much larger
> paradigm shift relative to 1896-1996.  If you compare harp to guitars, or
> pianos, or brass instruments, it is VERY hard to be different and make it
> stick.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 13, 2012 3:06:28 AM UTC-6, Brendan Power wrote:
> >
> > Though I have so-far been the public face of our new business X-Reed.com,
> > I
> > must point the spotlight on my partner: Zombor Kovacs. And that brings up
> > a
> > wider issue about the future of harmonica making.
> >
> > I've been tinkering with harps ever since I started playing, but only
> have
> > hand-tool skills to test my ideas. Zombor is not only very inventive when
> > it
> > comes to harmonica design in his own right, but he has the CAD and CNC
> > knowledge to refine our ideas down to minute precision parts that can be
> > replicated.
> >
> > Our X-Reed OverValve Plate is a case in point. I came up with the idea
> and
> > made a couple of prototypes by hand. They worked, but were laboriously
> > slow
> > to make and had the natural irregularities that come from hand work.
> >
> > Zombor took the idea, put it into his CAD software and ironed out the
> > kinks
> > to create a precision designed part that could be machined. Then it got
> > transferred to his milling machine and these amazingly accurate finely
> > detailed parts arise from blank material before our eyes. It still seems
> > magical to me!
> >
> > It's really stimulating working with someone who has a similarly restless
> > brain but who can transform ideas from crufty hand-made prototypes to
> > slick
> > products that could have come out of any high-tech factory - all in the
> > comfort of your own home workshop. And we are not alone.
> >
> > Because harmonicas are so small, they really suit this new world of
> mixing
> > small workshops with high-tech machinery. It's now affordable and
> > user-friendly for anyone with a mechanical bent - not just CNC but 3D
> > Printing as well.
> >
> > Just as home studios revolutionised the music industry, I think the small
> > high-tech harmonica operation is destined to make quite an impact in the
> > harmonica scene in the years to come. Making reeds is about the only area
> > that the big manufacturers still have the edge. It's not insignificant
> > (!),
> > but the tech exists now for the small guy to have a go at even this
> > formidable barrier.
> >
> > Whatever your opinion about his business model, you have to hand it to
> > Brad
> > Harrison for having a good crack at that final frontier. He made his own
> > reeds, and in a new way. I really hope his pioneering work is not wasted
> > and
> > someone else takes his technology forward.
> >
> > Any news on what's happening with that, by the way?
> >
> >
> >
> > Brendan Power
> >
> > www.x-reed.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 07:45:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: Wilbur Euler <dubyail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Subject: [Harp-L] young artist
> To: Larry Sandy <slyou65@xxxxxxxxx>, JersiMuse <jersimuse@xxxxxxxxx>,
>         harp-l <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
>         <1355413546.6659.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I believe they hail from Arkansas. At the end of their sampler video there
> is a clip
> Arkansas Arts on Tour Artist.com
>
> Regards, Wil Euler
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Larry Sandy <slyou65@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: JersiMuse <jersimuse@xxxxxxxxx>; harp-l <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Subject: [Harp-L] young artist
>
> Jersi,
> Her name is Lydia VanderVate.  She and her siblings are available for hire
> at  http://realentertaining.com .  I do not know where they call home but
> would love to see them perform.
>
> Lockjaw Larry
> Breathing Music daily
>
>
>
> From:JersiMuse <jersimuse@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: EGS1217@xxxxxxx; harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:39 AM
> Subject: RE: Subject: [Harp-L] young artist
>
> On the video you propose Elisabeth, one can observe her perfect use of her
> diaphragm, for each single note.
> It is a very good demonstration of a mastered playing, opening the "air
> column" from top to bottom.
> Very interesting !
>
> Do you know her last name ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerome
> www.youtube.com/JersiMuse
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : harp-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:harp-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] De la
> part
> de EGS1217@xxxxxxx
> Envoyé : mercredi 12 décembre 2012 17:28
> À : harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
> Objet : Subject: [Harp-L] young artist
>
> I like her playing here better:
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSkXlA37RtE
>
> And this is a clip of the whole family playing together as a group so you'd
> likely have to invite all of them to play at SPAH (how do you tell a small
> child the rest of her siblings don't 'qualify'?).
>
> _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLsogs1oNb0_
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLsogs1oNb0)
>
>
> Lydia also plays piano (there are other clips of her doing so).  The video
> you showed was from 2010--she's at least a year+ older,  now.
>
>
> Obviously all four girls play instruments so their parents are likely
> already steering their girls towards music lessons: Lydia is holding the
> harmonica better in the Danny Boy video which implies some kind of  proper
> instruction.
>
>
> I'd suggest that she isn't 'quite' ready for a SPAH at this stage
> (especially the 50th Anniversary) since most of the videos I've just
> watched
> of  her playing solo are snippets of songs and small children tend to get
> lost  in the shuffle at a SPAH unless it's the specific single matinee
> morning. I think she too might benefit far more a couple of years down the
> road,  don't you think?
>
>
> Observation over the years tells me that kids in the 12+ age  group seem to
> stick with harmonica the longest and get the most out  of a SPAH (or other
> harmonica Convention) adventure since smaller kids can  quickly become
> bored
> with what seems to them the interminable and overall  'adult' theme. Of
> course there are exceptions to every rule, but that's just my  humble
> opinion.
>
> That said, I think she's adorable and hope she does stick with it to become
> a phenomenal 21st Century woman harp player and all/round musician.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:52:36 -0500 (EST)
> From: The Iceman <icemanle@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Harp-L] young artist and SPAH
> To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <8CFA7696310E617-848-1E26@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> No reason not to get a young player like this at SPAH...
>
>
> Sunny Girl started performing at SPAH (and Buckeye) when she was
> 6....every year she was featured at one of the performances. The result was
> that she became a "draw" in her own right...everyone could watch her mature
> year after year. She also was a draw for a lot of kids and grandkids who
> came to the convention just to see her.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:16:09 -0500
> From: Joseph Leone <3n037@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Subject: [Harp-L] young artist
> To: Larry Sandy <slyou65@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: Harp L Harp L <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <8447B263-1833-4772-A381-9C5B140B2DF0@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> With a name like VanderVate, I would say the Netherlands?  lolol
> smo-joe
>
> On Dec 13, 2012, at 7:00 AM, Larry Sandy wrote:
>
> > Jersi,
> > Her name is Lydia VanderVate.  She and her siblings are available for
> hire at  http://realentertaining.com .  I do not know where they call
> home but would love to see them perform.
> >
> > Lockjaw Larry
> > Breathing Music daily
> >
> >
> >
> > From:JersiMuse <jersimuse@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: EGS1217@xxxxxxx; harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:39 AM
> > Subject: RE: Subject: [Harp-L] young artist
> >
> > On the video you propose Elisabeth, one can observe her perfect use of
> her
> > diaphragm, for each single note.
> > It is a very good demonstration of a mastered playing, opening the "air
> > column" from top to bottom.
> > Very interesting !
> >
> > Do you know her last name ?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jerome
> > www.youtube.com/JersiMuse
> >
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : harp-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:harp-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] De la
> part
> > de EGS1217@xxxxxxx
> > Envoyé : mercredi 12 décembre 2012 17:28
> > À : harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
> > Objet : Subject: [Harp-L] young artist
> >
> > I like her playing here better:
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSkXlA37RtE
> >
> > And this is a clip of the whole family playing together as a group so
> you'd
> > likely have to invite all of them to play at SPAH (how do you tell a
> small
> > child the rest of her siblings don't 'qualify'?).
> >
> > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLsogs1oNb0_
> > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLsogs1oNb0)
> >
> >
> > Lydia also plays piano (there are other clips of her doing so).  The
> video
> > you showed was from 2010--she's at least a year+ older,  now.
> >
> >
> > Obviously all four girls play instruments so their parents are likely
> > already steering their girls towards music lessons: Lydia is holding the
> > harmonica better in the Danny Boy video which implies some kind of
>  proper
> > instruction.
> >
> >
> > I'd suggest that she isn't 'quite' ready for a SPAH at this stage
> > (especially the 50th Anniversary) since most of the videos I've just
> watched
> > of  her playing solo are snippets of songs and small children tend to get
> > lost  in the shuffle at a SPAH unless it's the specific single matinee
> > morning. I think she too might benefit far more a couple of years down
> the
> > road,  don't you think?
> >
> >
> > Observation over the years tells me that kids in the 12+ age  group seem
> to
> > stick with harmonica the longest and get the most out  of a SPAH (or
> other
> > harmonica Convention) adventure since smaller kids can  quickly become
> bored
> > with what seems to them the interminable and overall  'adult' theme. Of
> > course there are exceptions to every rule, but that's just my  humble
> > opinion.
> >
> > That said, I think she's adorable and hope she does stick with it to
> become
> > a phenomenal 21st Century woman harp player and all/round musician.
> >
> > Elizabeth
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:57:06 -0500 (EST)
> From: Cljdm@xxxxxxx
> Subject: [Harp-L] Mic amp survey
> To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <257c.573828b9.3dfb70f2@xxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just would like to take an informal survey.  How many Harp-L players  mic
> their amp through the PA no matter what?
>
> thanks, Chris Mastakas
>
> End of Harp-L Digest, Vol 112, Issue 26
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