Re: [Harp-L] 3rds and 7ths in All The Things You Are (effortless jazz harmonica)

[The Iceman <icemanle@xxxxxxx>]

 Please don't let the advanced discussion turn off those that are just dipping their toes in the water. Winslow and Michael are obviously well schooled in theory and like to display their knowledge.

My whole approach to enticing players to start exploring this realm is to keep it simple and bite size. Too much exposure to too many concepts is overwhelming to most beginners.

If you just start with major and minor 7th chords and don't worry about what lies ahead, it is not very demanding.

Also, the benefit of understanding basic theory, while improving your ability to play, has another, perhaps an even more important benefit - in listening to music. It makes the listening experience so much more rewarding. Now you can develop a basis for understanding and comparison as you listen to all forms of music. From a basic blues orientation, you may have a way of quantifying why so-and-so sounds so good when he solos. You may discover it is because so-an-so really lays on the third and seventh scale degree of the I chord and does the same for the V and IV chord.

 


 

 

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From: pdxharpdog <pdxharpdog@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Winslow Yerxa <winslowyerxa@xxxxxxxxx>; The Iceman <icemanle@xxxxxxx>; harp-l <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wed, Feb 16, 2011 8:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] 3rds and 7ths in All The Things You Are (effortless jazz	harmonica)


Now you're just showing off Winslow ;-)

Ross Macdonald

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----- Reply message -----
From: "Winslow Yerxa" <winslowyerxa@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, Feb 16, 2011 4:49 pm
Subject: [Harp-L] 3rds and 7ths in All The Things You Are (effortless jazz	harmonica)
To: "The Iceman" <icemanle@xxxxxxx>, <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>

When chords progress by moving down a fifth to get to the next chord root, the 
full diminished 7th chord rarely occurs. 

What happens more often is the "half diminished" chord, which has a minor 3rd, 
diminished fifth (i.e, a diminished triad) and a minor 7th. This chord is more 
commonly called the minor 7-flat 5 chord, an awkward but unambiguous description 
of its component parts. 

The 3rd and 7th of the  half-diminished chord are the same as a minor 7th chord 
and would resolve to the next chord in the same way. 
 Winslow Yerxa
Author, Harmonica For Dummies ISBN 978-0-470-33729-5
Harmonica instructor, The Jazzschool for Music Study and Performance
Resident expert, bluesharmonica.com
Columnist, harmonicasessions.com




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From: The Iceman <icemanle@xxxxxxx>
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wed, February 16, 2011 12:12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] 3rds and 7ths in All The Things You Are (effortless jazz 
harmonica)

now you are getting into the more advanced realm. flatted minor seventh is a 
double flat.


the idea is to inspire people to delve into this stuff without throwing a lot at 
them so that they are not overwhelmed.


Start with the basics and build from there.


What about minor third, flatted minor seventh as in a Fully diminished
chord?  Is that seventh not in this family because you can also think
of it as a sixth?