Re: [Harp-L] II V I

[Arthur Jennings <timeistight@xxxxxxxxx>]

Cherry Pink and Apple Blossom White is a tune most harmonicats know. It's
ii7 V7 Imaj7 and V7 I6 all the way through.

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Jérôme P. <peyrelevade@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> If the question is :
> in which tunes can we hear a minor II V I ?, here are few examples :
>
> Black Orpheus (many II V I in A minor and one in D minor)
> Beautiful Love (D minor)
> Autumn Leaves (II V I in G major and II V I in E minor)
> Softly As in a Morning Sunrise (C minor)
> Stella by Starlight (B minor, A minor, Eminor)
> Shadow of your Smile (E minor, B minor, A minor, G minor)
> Blue Bossa (C minor)
>
> You'll find some of these tunes on my youtube channel, with their tab for
> diatonic harp: www.youtube.com/JersiMuse
>
>
> Concerning the possibility of playing a note on a chord, I don't think
> about
> the problem the same way. The problem, according to me, is not which note
> you can play, but which scales. You can perfectly play a substitution of
> the
> current scale, with notes which seem to be relatively far from the original
> chord.
> For example, on a II V I major in C: Dm7  G7  CMaj7, you can play in Ab Maj
> on the G7. But you still have to make it sound correctly and "mix it
> correctly" with the scale of C major, otherwise it will be awful.
> Listen to Charlie Parker for example, he plays a lot on that kind of
> substitution.
> If you'd prefer a reference with a diatonic harmonica, I think the one
> reference remains Sebastien Charlier, who can play in many different scales
> above a given chord.
> Another example: on a II V I minor, you can effectively play in Valt on a
> V7. But it is more logical. I think you could even play with this scale on
> a
> II V I major in fact.
> There are many examples like these, which enable to enrich your play.
>
> So at the end, any note can go on any chord, it all depends on how.
>
> I'm not totally sure I've answered the right questions, but I hope that
> helps anyway,
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jerome Peyrelevade
> www.youtube.com/JersiMuse
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : harp-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:harp-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] De la
> part
> de michael rubin
> Envoyé : samedi 9 janvier 2010 18:19
> À : Mick Zaklan
> Cc : harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
> Objet : Re: [Harp-L] II V I
>
> There are two kinds of II V I's, major and minor.  In a major pattern
> in the key of C, the II would be a D minor 7, the V would be a G7 and
> the I would be a C major 7.  The most appropriate scale over the II
> would be a D dorian scale (otherwise thought of as a mode of C major),
> the most appropriate scale for the G7 would be G mixolydian (otherwise
> thought of as G major) and the most appropriate scale for the Cmaj7
> would be C major.  That means you could play the C major scale over
> all the bars of that pattern.
>
> In Do Nothin' Till You Hear From Me by Ellington/Russell, found on
> page 107 of The Real Book Volume II Second edition, The first chord is
> Gmaj7.  This does not look like a II V I, but the very last bar of the
> tune is split into chords played for two beats.  The chords are A-7
> and D7, The II and V of G.  When song returns to the beginning of the
> tune it completes the II V I.
>
> The next chords in the tunes second bar (two beats each) are D-7 and
> G7.  The next bar is Cmaj7.  That is a II V I in C.  So the first (and
> last bar) of the song is G major and the second and third bar is C
> major.  At the second ending of the A section moving into the B
> section there is a II V I in Eb.  There are other examples in the song
> that you can locate now that you hopefully get the idea.
>
> I see major II V I's EVERYWHERE and not just in jazz.
>
> The other II V I is minor and it is what we have been discussing.  I
> am new to really exploring this idea and do not have a tune right off
> of my head.  I just searched thru the real book and found lots of
> examples that were close to this pattern with slight alterations in
> the chord but after 10 minutes awake without coffee, I am done
> researching.  Tag, anyone?
> Michael Rubin
> Michaelrubinharmonica.com
>
>
>
>
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