[Harp-L] RE: blown out harps

["Mad Dog Friedman" <maddog@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Rick,

I guess I am on the other end of the spectrum from Bill.  I blow out harps
all the time.  My record is 3 in one night.  I always carry backups in the 6
keys I use all the time (D, A, C, G, F & Bb).  I am not sure if I am a hard
blower (or just a big sucker), if I eat too many hot peppers or just drool
too much. My worst "blow out" was when a sucked a reed clear out of the harp
and down my throat! I have tried blowing more softly but then a pretty girl
walks by or the blues sneaks up from behind.  Harp type & key does make a
huge difference.  Marine Band Deluxes out last anything else I have tried by
2 to 5 times.  I seem to be especially hard on my D harps.  Most of the
fast, hard hitting tunes, my band,  Papa Juke, does are in A.  I can go
through a D in one week with a  Golden Melody, Special 20, Sydel or Lee
Oskar.   I'll  get 2 -3 weeks out of a D Suzuki Promaster (if I take care to
break it in nicely).  The D Marine Band Deluxes generally last me about a
month or more which make them the most cost effective, and I love their
tone.  I just got some Herring Vintages that seem like a better value than
the Marine Band Deluxes but just a notch down in tone as they are slight bit
"airier." (This could make them last better.)  I'll let you know how they
fair but they feel real solid.  Yes, I take all my harps off my taxes along
with other equipment and mileage to the gigs. I hope this helps if you are
also cursed with HBOD (harp blow out disorder).  

Mad Dog Friedman
www.maddogharp.com
970-203-4757




Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:38:25 -0400
From: "Bill Otten" <harpman54@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] RE: blown out harps
To: <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Rick Davis asked: 
>For you who play amped harp on a regular basis, I have a question:  How
>often do you blow out a reed in a harp?  How many harps do you buy per
>month?  Do you write your harps off your taxes?
>What can we do to lessen the costs?  Play softer.  Take better care of our
>harps.  Learn the Zen of Harmonica Maintenance.  What do you suggest?

Well Rick....in over 15 years of playing semi-professionally, I have had ONE
(1) reed break on a harp. 
And I don't play lullabys and minuets either. Amped harp, and therein lies
the secret...let the AMP do
the work. Tight cup around the harp, around the mic, everything goes into
the amp. Yes, I do blow harp
with attack, and do bear down, so maybe I've been lucky? But I simply
haven't blown out but a single reed
in that time. I do break the harps in slowly, keep them clean (but not
obsessive about any cleaning schedule),
and that's about it. I haven't bought a harp in over a year or longer and
don't write them off my taxes
because harp playing isn't my work gig...it's a pasttime for me. I'll be
interested in what others have to 
say because I'm sure my situation isn't typical. I can't even pinpoint my
harp durability to a single manufacturer
either, because in my stage case you can find Lee Oskar's, Hohner's, and
Suzuki harps. I CAN tell you that I
valve a lot of my harps, and there are valved models of each of the above
manufacturers in my case. I bend a LOT
of notes so I'm certainly not shy about playing hard. 

Bill Otten



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:51:37 -0400
From: "mike wesolowski" <mwesolowski@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Re: Amp You Gotta try.
To: "Eddie Martin" <harpin1@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>,
	<tubes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <0950C1129E024F58A695D5300A1A4322@pc1>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="Windows-1252"

Damn Eddie !!    That was great !!   I hope you'll come to my gig at Fishers
this Tuesday night and play some with us.   I show up around 7:30 and have a
bite and set up.   We play from 9:00 till 12:00.  I'd love for you to come
up and blow some through my 1960 Harvard.
Mike "Wezo" Wesolowski
336-785-3576
www.myspace.com/harpwezo 
www.megatoneamps.com
www.bluesworldorder.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Eddie Martin 
  To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx ; WESO ; tubes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:47 PM
  Subject: Amp You Gotta try.


  First let me tell you about Dale the harp amp Doctor in Greensboro NC. You
can find out all his info at djlservice.com or at megatoneamps.com. I
purchased the original Harpking amplifier from Rod Piazza back in 2001. When
it was shipped to me, FedEx nearly destroyed this priceless piece of art.  I
took it to several amp techs who were killer at guitar amps but the Harpking
blew there minds. I repaired it myself to some extent along with Tim HotRod
Hughes. Sadly, the amp was never the same. 
    Then comes a call from Rupert Oysler who met through my guitar player in
Brevard he tells me about a Harp amp he is having built and he wants me to
go and check it out. He said Dale and Mike with Megatone Amps are the real
deal. AND Dale should have no problem repairing my Harpking. (I know your
thinking why didn't he just ship the amp to Kinder?) After my shipping
nightmare if I can't drive it there it ain't going.
    I went over to meet with Dale and he looked over my amp and said he
would call me in a couple of days meanwhile I tried out the WEZO 45 combo
that was waiting delivery to Rupert. 
    I magine if you will, plugging your favorite super hot mic into an amp
with the bass, middle, and treble all at the half way point and you've got a
KILLER tone. I knew then this was set up for harp. I played around for a
while and fell in love. 
   Dale called me the very next morning and had fixed the first harpking so
we set up a time to come back and do a side to side comparison along with
Mike Wesolowski.  
    I'll send more about that magical night on another post. I will be
adding a Wezo 45 to my arsenal I'll leave it at that. I am going to keep my
pair of kings too.
   By the way, Dale can also modify the amp you are using now. I played
through a Kalamazoo bass amp that he did a mod to. It was so sweet when I
started playing. It sounded like my favorite premier amp and then he started
turning these magical hidden knobs until the amp was runnig wild. I'm still
in shock at what the man can do to an amplifier. Do yourself a favor and set
aside some time to check these guys out.
  Sorry about the rambling it's hard to put this much emotion down on a
keyboard.
  Eddie
  harpin1@xxxxxxxxxxx
  myspace.com/harpin1


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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:00:55 +1200
From: G <gigs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Fender Champ
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:00:42 -0500
From: "Ron Hall" <easy58@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Fender Champ
To: "harp-l" <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
>Due to recent layoff Im selling my Fender Champ! It has been modified to
>the max,10'' Weber,retubed,custom tilt backs,also serviced with upgrades by
>Skip Simmons.It has the sweetest tone,truly hate to let it go. Also selling
>a Dan Electro Echo pedal upgraded by Ron Holmes.e-mail me offline for
>pictures and prices.Thanks Ron Hall

Just to put in my ten cents.
The Dan Electro Dan Echo pedal when modified is a fantastic pedal for
harmonica.   Whether it's engaged or bypassed, it acts as a compressor
and adds subtle overdrive.  The delays deteriorate with each repeat and
slowly modulate.  With an earlier Green Bullet it's very nice for trad
Chicago blues.
The only negative is it has a little background noise, but if you use a
good adapter it's minimal.
-- G.



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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 0:58:26 -0400
From: "steve@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <swebb@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] RE: blown out harps
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20090620005826.O6U4Q.563055.root@mp06>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8


It's an interesting question, though. I have played pretty steadily on
weekends the past two years and have yet to blow out a harp. I was playing
thru the PA with an SM58, but bought a Harmonica Honker and used that the
last few months. I do play pretty hard sometimes. My gig harps are SP20s and
Bushman. I switched out one SP20 because I had a newer one that was more in
tune, but otherwise, I'm going to blow these harps until they blow.
I do understand that blues guys in a loud amplified band are more likely to
wreck a harp than with the acoustic style our band has.
Steve Webb in Minn.

---- Bill Otten <harpman54@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> Rick Davis asked: 
> >For you who play amped harp on a regular basis, I have a question:  How
> >often do you blow out a reed in a harp?  How many harps do you buy per
> >month?  Do you write your harps off your taxes?
> >What can we do to lessen the costs?  Play softer.  Take better care of
our
> >harps.  Learn the Zen of Harmonica Maintenance.  What do you suggest?
> 
> Well Rick....in over 15 years of playing semi-professionally, I have had
ONE
> (1) reed break on a harp. 
> And I don't play lullabys and minuets either. Amped harp, and therein lies
> the secret...let the AMP do
> the work. Tight cup around the harp, around the mic, everything goes into
> the amp. Yes, I do blow harp
> with attack, and do bear down, so maybe I've been lucky? But I simply
> haven't blown out but a single reed
> in that time. I do break the harps in slowly, keep them clean (but not
> obsessive about any cleaning schedule),
> and that's about it. I haven't bought a harp in over a year or longer and
> don't write them off my taxes
> because harp playing isn't my work gig...it's a pasttime for me. I'll be
> interested in what others have to 
> say because I'm sure my situation isn't typical. I can't even pinpoint my
> harp durability to a single manufacturer
> either, because in my stage case you can find Lee Oskar's, Hohner's, and
> Suzuki harps. I CAN tell you that I
> valve a lot of my harps, and there are valved models of each of the above
> manufacturers in my case. I bend a LOT
> of notes so I'm certainly not shy about playing hard. 
> 
> Bill Otten
> 
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:54:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Winslow Yerxa <winslowyerxa@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 07:23:57 -0500
From: "Bill Kumpe" <bkumpe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Blown Out Harps
To: <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <5FDDB62583644D51B51FBD507FABFB5D@BKALPC>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

A local pro harp player and technician named Mike Peace has worked out a
solution to this problem that works for him and his clients.  He converts
(primarily) Hohner harps to a configuration that allows you to replace
individual reeds as they blow out and keeps a good supply of reeds in stock
at his shop.  I had him make a harp for me, a Special 20 in Melody Maker
tuning, and I love it.  I intend to purchase more from him as my harps blow
out because I know that as long as Mike is alive and I don't crack the comb
or something, that harp can be repaired fairly cheaply.  It's a good
solution.

Bill Kumpe
Route 66 Harmonica Club
Tulsa, Oklahoma  



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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:35:52 -0400
From: Warren Bee <spahpublicity@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] SPAH Update: Musselwhite
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
	<87949f920906200635s3bab39a3ie26023b5118474d1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Charlie Musselwhite has confirmed that he will be at SPAH this year for the
first 4 days of the convention. Charlie is coming on his own this year. He
is not on the roster as a headliner. He is coming this year just to be a
part of the fun! His plan is to just hang around and be Charlie among his
fellow harmonica enthusiasts. He did say that he was going to do something
that he hasn't done in the past conventions that he was a part of, he will
be participating in the night time blues jams! This is an awesome thing to
hear. Nothing is more exciting than to be sitting in a big circle with your
good friends and some your harp hero's at the same time. I have fond
memories of blues jams sitting next to the heavy hitters like Jelly Roll, PT
Gazelle, Madcat, Jason Ricci (just to name a few). Heck one night a few
years back Bonfiglio was hanging with the blues gang, sipping a beer and
blowing some awesome blues! Superstars aside I must say that the blues jams
really are a special thing for the time that you get to cut loose with your
friends from around the country and globe. I am not sure if any blues jam
would be complete for me if my adopted papa Dennis Frischette wasn't by my
side making me smile.

WB
-- 
Warren "Bee" Bachman
SPAH Publicity Director
631-981-1241 / 631-521-0472
www.spah.org


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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:42:28 -0400
From: Warren Bee <spahpublicity@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] A Few More SPAH Updates
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
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Hering has announced that they will be sending the incredible Otavio Castro
to the convention from Brazil.  Word is that room will be made for him in
the performance schedule. What a nice surprise. Also, Suzuki USA has added
Joe Powers to their  list of attendees. Another "power player" on the
growing list of incredible talent making the trip to Sacramento in August.

WB
-- 
Warren "Bee" Bachman
SPAH Publicity Director
631-981-1241 / 631-521-0472
www.spah.org


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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:51:38 -0400
From: "mike wesolowski" <mwesolowski@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Re:Amp You Gotta Try
To: <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <C3731C9EB77B43F1B0067AE3FE689AB2@pc1>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="Windows-1252"

Thanks Eddie. 
 That was a nice post. By the Way..............You're a great player and I
REALLY enjoyed getting to play through BOTH of your HarpKing amps.   No
doubt about it. Those amps are AWESOME.
We've just got together with David Barrett and worked out an endorsment deal
with him to help us spread the word about the Wezo 45 Combo. He'll be bring
the amp with him to SPAH along with a 2-12 extension cab that we're
offering. He has posted a link on youtube that you can check out and hear
and see the amp.  David's a great player, instructor and communicator.
For any of you who have been to his masterclass, you know what a harp master
he is.
Here's the link::http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=mEk0eUiZYgM 
Mike "Wezo" Wesolowski
www.myspace.com/harpwezo 
www.megatoneamps.com
www.bluesworldorder.com

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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:14:14 -0400
From: Jim Adams <tusker23@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Endorsement?
To: <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <BAY101-W125AA2F4A49C3B589AF9EAC03B0@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"


Dear Mr Pimp,

 

We here at Autoharper Worldwide Conglomerate Inc. were delighted to read
your open offer 

in which you indicate your willingness to endorse various products.

 

Of particular appeal to us is your claim that "I am opportunistic,
simple-minded and cheap", which leads us to believe that you are a perfect
candidate for our organisation, and will fit in well with our stable of
world-famous endorsers. (Legalities preclude our naming any of them at the
moment, but we can say that quite a few of them enjoy 'having a toot' on a
harmonica.)

 

Our line of product caters to the music industry (among others), and we are
actively seeking artistes with 'connections' in that area -- particularly
within larger and smaller gigs.

Renumeration is in the form of percentage-based commission on sales, and the
product can be delivered directly to you, or if you prefer, you can pick it
up at our head office here in Columbia. Naturally if you pick it up from our
head office and arrange your own transportation and distribution channels,
you can take advantage of our very generous discount rates.

 

You may also wish to take advantage of this week's "Two kilos for one"
special which ends soon.

Hurry and sign up now, while exclusive territories are still available in
your area 

yours sincerely,

 

Carlos Escobar,

President and CEO

Autoharper Worldwide Conglomerate Inc.

Medellin, Columbia


 
--Forwarded Message Attachment--
From: drfertig@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Harp-L] I endorse . . .
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:36:27 -0700
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx

I "endorse" Hohner Special 20s, Harpgear Amps, Tom Austin's FrankenMics,
Kinder AFB+, AKG Wireless, Kawai Keyboards, Cosmic Percussion congas, any
Gigondas wines, Powers Irish Whiskey, and Trader Joe's Markets. 
 
Now, will any of you offer me a deal for my endorsement?
 
And I extend my best wishes to my good friends (at) Fender, Seydel, Hering,
Huang, B. Harrison, Tim Moyer, Ben Bouman, Alamo, Sunn & Nomad amps,
Beaulieu Vineyards, Jameson's Whiskey, Vons and Hows groceries, as well as
all those of you whose products I don't have but probably should:   While I
appreciate your products and think they're often better than your
competition, I am opportunistic, simple-minded and cheap, thus I can't
promise to always use your product at my larger gigs (or my smaller ones,
depending on our arrangements.) 
 
But I am open to negotiations.  Now, let's make a deal! 
 
-Dave "Will Pimp for Swag" Fertig
 


 
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:30:26 -0700
From: Greg Heumann <greg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Super Sonny review
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <A5C4735C-EDBC-4AC7-8184-191A330C941D@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

I've had my Sonny Jr. Four-Ten a long time. It's like an old friend.  
Its big full sound taught me a lot about how to bring out my own tone,  
and helped get my first gigs. It was my only amp until I bought the  
Cruncher as a backup last year. The Cruncher has killer tone - a  
little edgier than the Four-Ten, and as I've progressed (and don't  
need to hide behind an overly muddy sound as much as I  used to) I've  
been really enjoying it. So when Sonny Jr announced the new Super  
Sonny I was very interested to try it. I do some amp rebuilding so I  
was fortunate that Gary was able to work with me to upgrade my Four- 
Ten to Super Sonny specs.

I brought it to our pro jam on Wednesday where I was able to both  
perform through it and hear it from the audience in the hands of other  
capable harp players.  I am absolutely thrilled with the results. It  
cuts through better, breaks up more smoothly, projects better - more  
responsive than it was before, and it was already a great amp. It is  
also louder than it was before - rarely necessary thanks to the new  
line-out but nice to have - and it was already a loud amp. What  
impressed me more, though, was how, even when I was comp'ing quietly  
underneath the guitar player/vocalist, the amp could be heard. Not  
loud, not grating, just there, with great tone. Many other amps seem  
to disappear in this situation when you're playing at an acceptable  
volume, which means IN the mix, not on top of it.

Aki Kumar is a friend, fellow Four-Ten owner and excellent harp  
player. He was there that night and noticed the difference  
immediately. After some of my work he came up to me and said "WHAT did  
you do to that amp - it sounds GREAT!" I'm sure he'll be looking into  
upgrading his amp now too. I was lucky to hear Aki play through the  
rig while I was out on the floor - great tone across a wide dynamic  
range.

Having worked with Gary at Sonny Jr amps for years now, I have come to  
deeply trust and respect his ears - he really knows harp tone. I tend  
to take his advice in that regard. The Super Sonny is no exception. I  
can't wait to play it again.




/Greg

http://www.blowsmeaway.com
http://www.bluestateband.net





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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:37:17 +0100
From: "Bill" <bill.eborn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Endorsement?
To: "Jim Adams" <tusker23@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <6A2098E8FD0D4C8A9B03196C1857C98F@Birdhead>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

Well you can't sniff at an offer like that!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Adams" <tusker23@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:14 PM
Subject: [Harp-L] Endorsement?



Dear Mr Pimp,



We here at Autoharper Worldwide Conglomerate Inc. were delighted to read 
your open offer

in which you indicate your willingness to endorse various products.



Of particular appeal to us is your claim that "I am opportunistic, 
simple-minded and cheap", which leads us to believe that you are a perfect 
candidate for our organisation, and will fit in well with our stable of 
world-famous endorsers. (Legalities preclude our naming any of them at the 
moment, but we can say that quite a few of them enjoy 'having a toot' on a 
harmonica.)



Our line of product caters to the music industry (among others), and we are 
actively seeking artistes with 'connections' in that area -- particularly 
within larger and smaller gigs.

Renumeration is in the form of percentage-based commission on sales, and the

product can be delivered directly to you, or if you prefer, you can pick it 
up at our head office here in Columbia. Naturally if you pick it up from our

head office and arrange your own transportation and distribution channels, 
you can take advantage of our very generous discount rates.



You may also wish to take advantage of this week's "Two kilos for one" 
special which ends soon.

Hurry and sign up now, while exclusive territories are still available in 
your area

yours sincerely,



Carlos Escobar,

President and CEO

Autoharper Worldwide Conglomerate Inc.

Medellin, Columbia



--Forwarded Message Attachment--
From: drfertig@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Harp-L] I endorse . . .
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:36:27 -0700
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx

I "endorse" Hohner Special 20s, Harpgear Amps, Tom Austin's FrankenMics, 
Kinder AFB+, AKG Wireless, Kawai Keyboards, Cosmic Percussion congas, any 
Gigondas wines, Powers Irish Whiskey, and Trader Joe's Markets.

Now, will any of you offer me a deal for my endorsement?

And I extend my best wishes to my good friends (at) Fender, Seydel, Hering, 
Huang, B. Harrison, Tim Moyer, Ben Bouman, Alamo, Sunn & Nomad amps, 
Beaulieu Vineyards, Jameson's Whiskey, Vons and Hows groceries, as well as 
all those of you whose products I don't have but probably should:   While I 
appreciate your products and think they're often better than your 
competition, I am opportunistic, simple-minded and cheap, thus I can't 
promise to always use your product at my larger gigs (or my smaller ones, 
depending on our arrangements.)

But I am open to negotiations.  Now, let's make a deal!

-Dave "Will Pimp for Swag" Fertig




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