[Harp-L] Jazz Jam post, redone to be a little less confusing?



HOLY MOLY - this response sure came out on the "L" confusing as to who said
 what:

Let me redo it and try to put brackets around the quotes.


<<<<<<In a message dated 6/3/2009 2:31:00 P.M.  Eastern Daylight Time,
leone@xxxxxxxx writes:

On Jun  3,  2009, at 1:56 PM, IcemanLE@xxxxxxx wrote:

> It's normal for   different people to have different memories of an
> event   -

Especially if we are talking about DIFFERENT events...which we   are.
>
> My memory of the Jazz Club contradicts   Smo-Jo's.

No, they don't. Your recollections are about YOUR events,  and  mine
are about MINE. Take Denver 01. There were only 4  people who  played
on that one. Randy, Rob, Mike (Turk) Mike  (Polesky). I don't  recall
anyone else taking a shot at it. And  there were a lot of  other good
players there. The lighting was  Wrigley Field, the  atmosphere was
conference hall, the acoustics  were  echoey.>>>>>>>>>>>

(Larry  responds) oops, my mistake. I was referring to Golden Age, you were
referring  to
Diamond Age.  Sorry.


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-------------------------Joe  sez:
<<<<<<<<<<<<You may be talking about  99. Unfortunately I wasn't there. 
That's the
one that included  Toots. I DO have an audio of the  event.
I'm referring to 97, 98, and  99.

> Acoustics were good,volume was under control, lighting  was  tempered 
> (Bob Williams wanted to give the
>    flavor of a Jazz Club), attendees knew what was going on,
>   attendance was
> good,  multiple mics let three harmonica  players  on stage at the
> same time,
> which lead   to a lot of  interesting interplay,

That's the way it SHOULD  be.

> and  Randy had a solid handle on  controlling some of  the egos. It
> did run concurrent with other events,
>  but the  idea was  to have a World Class experience in which it  was 
>  impossible
> to attend  everything and there  was a lot to choose  from. Beginners 
> were
>  intimidated, as it  was a  much more professional situation.
> However, it gave
>  those with experience a  chance to  really play with excellent  acoustic
> musicians.
>
> At  the time, SPAH was moving in a  different direction than Buckeye, 
> which
> was more geared  towards the beginner.

Let's  talk about that statement. So, what's wrong  with gearing an
event that caters to the 'bread & butter' (so to  speak) of  the
harmonica brother/sisterhood?

. The 82.5 % who  MAKE  spah, Buckeye, GSHC, VHC, et al. can actually
GET something   useable out of spah, and to whom spah SHOULD represent. 
Look,  there  are 82.5 % of attendees and their spouses or other
significants, who  are average blokes. THEN there are 8.75% whom  are
good enough to do  the shows. That leaves 8.75% who are in  limbo. Not
quite good enough  to do a show slot, but also a  little too high up
the food chain to  sit there and listen to  players and seminar
instructors who aren't  any better than they  are.

> The idea was that, between the  two
>  events.

> both beginner and more advanced players would  find  exactly what they
> needed.

What you're saying is elitist.  It  smacks of "Hey, if you're a
beginner, go to Buckeye, we're not   interested, but if you're
advanced, come to  spah".>>>>>>>
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Larry responds:
(koff), uh, interpretation may be in the mind of the  reader. We wanted
SPAH
to be a different experience than Buckeye. SPAH was  headed into a more 
professional direction than Buckeye, which was more  user friendly. Nothing
wrong  with that. To say ""Hey, if you're a  beginner, go to Buckeye, we're
not
interested, but if you're advanced,  come to spah" sounds to my ears like a

bit of "spin doctoring"  harkening back to the ol' Tate/Iceman exchanges.
In
all fairness, I used to  be a lot more of an a**hole back then. The problem
with having an  "a**holectamy" is that people tend to hold onto the old
image  longer  than is necessary. (I dug my own pit. I accept the
responsibility
and  am  not angered by responses like this - more amused than anything 
else).

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---------------------------
Joe sez:
<<<<<<<<<Ok, so  the fact that  I played Buckeye 03,
05, 07, (and other years) makes  me a  beginner>>>>>>>>>
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Larry responds:.
See, another example of spin doctoring, throwing a  negative  curve on a
posting that never stated that those that play  at  Buckeye are beginners.

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<<<<<<Now  I  understand. I'm
one of the 8.75% in limbo.
>
>  Randy was  instrumental in creating the Jazz Club

And I GAVE him the  credit. Now I  can't say anything about Bob as I
had no  interaction with him, but  on several occasions, I made
suggestions to the rest of the  establishment (Mitchell, Dobson,
Harris, etc), and it fell on deaf  ears. Ya know why? No  respect>>>>>>
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Larry responds:.
Still harboring feelings of resentment,  perhaps?


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<<<<<<<<<<>  and we were behind his
> ideas to bring in the  professional  musicians and PA, piano, etc.
> Perhaps  Randy
>   has his own recollection of the Jazz Club to  offer.
>
> Lame  it was not, in my opinion.

My use of the  word lame was in reference  to DENVER 01 and Denver
06.>>>>>>>>
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Larry responds:
Once again, my mistake. Sorry. Thought you were talking  pre Tate
conventions.
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>   So, we leave the "viewer to determine which, if any, is the   truth."

Doesn't scare me at all..................smo-joe   Sosa>>>>>>


OK, Fearless Joe. You're the Man!  :>)


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