Re: Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Re: questions about high keyed harps

David Payne <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> · Tue, 23 Sep 2008 04:43:39 -0700 (PDT)

Song family, do you mean the same song with different words, like "Ba Ba Black Sheep" "Twinkle Little Star" and "The ABC Song?" all are the same song, but different songs. That's what I'd call a song family.

 Come on in My Kitchen and Sittin' on Top of the World are the same song, different words. There was a Ma Rainey song with this same tune Ma Rainey was was done wrong by her man, it was something about her man, Fruteland Jackson was telling me about it, but I never heard it. 
Battle Hymn of the Republic has about 3 billion songs in its family, John Brown's Body, etc. 
Dave
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----- Original Message ----
From: Rick Dempster <rick.dempster@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx; Dan Berger <dberger1@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 3:09:26 AM
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Re: questions about high keyed harps

Didn't really take off as a topic though did it? I know what you mean about the songs you thought everyone knew. I've been running regular harp classes for the state adult ed. school for nearly ten years, and I'm starting to get people who don't know 'Oh Susannah', 'Old Folks at Home' etc. etc.....and I'm not just talking about Indians, Asians etc (who, oddly enough, are more likely to know them)
I've been thinking about starting a list of 'song/tune families'; if I get there, I'll post it. 

>>> "Dan Berger" <dberger1@xxxxxxxxxx> 20/09/2008 6:51 >>>
Aren't there really a limited number of songs
that are the roots of  all the others?  Like hollywood only having 7 types 
of plots for movies.

Good example from this list:

"My Babe" is really "This train am bound for glory"

Good list! but I find the older I get the less others know
what I thought were songs every kid used to know.

Dan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Dempster" <rick.dempster@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <EGS1217@xxxxxxx>; "Gary Popenoe" <gpopenoe@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Harp-L" <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Re: questions about high keyed harps

> Now that's a topic worthy of further discussion, Gary.
> I deliberately teach students tunes that have extended families.
> Here's a good one:
>
> When the Saints Go Marching In
> Thirty Days
> Mama don't allow
> This train am bound for glory
> I'll be glad when you're dead you rascal you
> She'll be comin' round the mountain
> Crawdad hole
> My Babe
> Caroline (Tell me where you sleep last night)
> ....and you can find plenty more that fit that category.
>
> Maybe some suggestions of other 'family group' songs?
>
> RD
>
>>>> Gary Popenoe <gpopenoe@xxxxxxxxx> 18/09/2008 21:13 >>>
> You know, there is a pattern language of western contemporary songs.
> It always seems to me that, if you learn one song, you've learned most
> of several others.
>
> It is to the point where I, and I'm sure others, can play along wth
> tunes we have never heard and appear to the listener as if we know the
> song.
>
> I was once was in Fiji and had an opportunity to jump in on a tune
> with some local players. I had never heard the song but felt I could
> handle it. I failed. Soon the guys were calling the changes to me.
>
> Their standard progression changes/song structure are different  than
> western popular music. I couldn't anticipate where their songs were
> going to  go.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 17, 2008, at 3:53 PM, EGS1217@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
>> Gary Popenoe writes (snipped):
>>
>> "Singing is the closest technique I have found to playing harmonica.
>> The main difference is that my vocal chords are  out there just in
>> front of my teeth."
>>
>> ...that's a great way to put it...and how I always think of playing
>> harmonica too. To me it's always about 'the song' (even if it's an
>> instrumental - in that case I simply think the melody), but always I
>> sing the song in my head while using the harmonica to convey it
>> instead of my voice, which means, of course..that I have to know the
>> song before I can play it well, but that's fine since I seem to know
>> hundreds upon hundreds of songs I hadn't  before realized I knew.
>> Must have just absorbed them by osmosis. :)
>>
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>>
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