RE: [Harp-L] re: my misty and Warren "whitebread" Bee

["Bradford Trainham" <bradford.trainham@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I have to agree that it's more homage to the tradition than race.
Music seems to be half a thing felt and half a thing studied/observed. 
I didn't feel personally, in Warren's version of Misty that the intelect
overshadowed any "feeling"/"soul", but in this, my current "intermediate"
state of technical prowess, I found the sorts of cerebral devices he put
into the execution of the piece very instructive.
On the other hand, I thought, the piece worked from a place of feeling,
especially against the backdrop of the guitar arrangement, itself a little
on the "folky" side.
(Am I being ambiguous enough, or should I get closer to going further?)
Brad Trainham
  

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Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 10:07 AM
To: IcemanLE@xxxxxxx
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Subject: Re: [Harp-L] re: my misty and Warren "whitebread" Bee

It is no longer a matter of racism (if it ever was), but of culture.  
Archie Shepp (wwww.archieshepp.com) is one of the few people to have
anything interesting to say about this. It is fine for anyone to play the
blues, or jazz, or Scottish tunes, or any other tradition. Playing is still
criticisable for not seeming rooted enough in the tradition.  
But "seeming" and being are not the same. Art is about fakery too and the
most 'authentic' performance is sometimes not. You don't have to suffer to
play the blues (or indeed country), but you do have to sound like you
suffer.

On 14 Sep 2008, at 12:22, IcemanLE@xxxxxxx wrote:

> In a sense, this is similar to Polish Jokes or Italian Jokes. (Why are  
> there
> so many Italians in the world? Because every time the sun goes down   
> another
> "Daygo's by.")
>
> Up until someone sued someone for "hurt feelings" and changed the 
> world  into fear of political correctness, these jokes were taken as 
> jokes and everyone rolled with the punches. We had thicker skin.
>
> The white guys can't play the blues stuff is a bit like this - for one 
> thing, blacks created their own music from their own culture - blues 
> and jazz.
> It's OK to give them this much credit. White folk have a history of 
> jumping into this band wagon without the deep attachment or paying the 
> dues like the creators  of the music.
>
> The colorization is based on small truths - this could be accepted for 
> what it is. However, there are always exceptions to the "rules". There 
> are white guys  that play excellent blues.
>
> So, to generalize is wrong, but don't get insulted or outraged about  
> these
> statements, unless you are going after $$ by hiring a lawyer over   
> hurt
> feelings.
>
>
> In a message dated 9/14/2008 6:40:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> billhines4@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>
> Here we  go again with the prejudice "white guys can't have the blues"
> bullsh*t.
>
> Let's not colorize any of this with this "whitebread" crap  and all 
> that.
> It's just wrong.
>
>
>
>
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