Re: [Harp-L] Need Help Richter Tuned "Chromatic" Harmonica Options
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- From: "Dave Payne, Elk River Harmonicas" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:44:45 -0800 (PST)
The only way to get that A is to have the slide in reed tuned to A. It makes lot more sense to me than G#. A good way to tune those holes in my opinion, is to tune the slide in blow to A and the slide in draw to Bb. The slide in draw normally is a C, which is repetitive.
Now that I think of it, I used to have a slide harp. Is it built on a Koch-type comb or a 260 comb?
Dave Payne Sr.
Elk River Harmonicas
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Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Need Help Richter Tuned "Chromatic" Harmonica Options
Koch is tuned like 10-hole Richter Marine Band and does not have
windsavers/valves. Usually the same piece of plastic is called a windsaver on chromatic
and a valve on diatonics -- both are designed to reduce air leakage. The Koch is
rather leaky compared to the Hohner Slide Harp. Both are sold by Hohner and
both used to be available in C & G but now may be available only in C.
The Slide Harp 10-hole has windsavers or valves on the first 6 draw reeds and
last 4 blow reeds. This is called half-valved. This allows blow bends on the
Slide Harp on the first 6 holes like those achieved Jimmy Reed style on the
top end of the standard 10-hole diatonic. This single-reed bend is the same kind
of bend available on solo-tuned chromatics. Both the Slide Harp and Koch are
capable of draw bends on holes 1-4,6 and blow bends on holes 8-10 because of
the reed layout.
The Hering Richter tuned slide harp is a chromatic that has full valves just
like a regular solo-tuned chromatic and as a result will not bend like a
conventional Richter tuned diatonic because the valves/windsaver interfere. I think
the one I have has 10 holes and has a gold antique colored covers.
All of these Richter layout harps lack access to the note A in the first
octave without bending. There is no way to get that note by pushing the lever.
That is because the lever raises notes a half-step and there is no note in the
first octave Ab/G# that can be raised to A.
Don't know anything about Seydel other than the two wonderful 12-hole
custom-tuned chromatic deluxe models I have that were factory-tuned to C7 and G7
chords. But Seydel can build you what you want at a reasonable price. I suggest
you get a half-valved richter tuned whatever number of holes you need. The
half-valving doesn't interfere with any bending and reduces air leaks.
Hope this helps.
In a message dated 11/15/08 9:08:42 PM, gwoodhouse40@xxxxxxx writes:
> I've played exclusively 10 hole diatonics but recently I've been researching
> in the archives, looking at manufacturer's sites, and assessing local
> availability of Richter tuned "chromatic" or slide harmonicas and have some
> questions that some of you might be able to help with.
> "Hohner Koch" - Seems to be available in C & G under $100 - 10 hole.
> Archives state this as a leaky harp.
> "Hohner Slide" - Now only available C in the $100 range (perhaps G was
> available in the past) - 10 hole. Partially valved to improve air tightness. How
> airtight is this harp compared to the "Hering Blues 48" and "Seydel
> Chromatic DeLuxe Richter Blues"?
> "Seydel Chromatic DeLuxe Richter Blues" - Generally available around $110 -
> 12 holes (square). I saw a Dave Payne post regarding a tuning tweak but could
> not find any "performance reviews". Appears to be valved from Seydel's site
> description. How is the overall air tightness of this harmonica? I have a
> preference towards Seydel based on my recent and gradual conversion to their
> 1847/Silver harps and what a wonderfully built and comfortable instrument
> they are. Can I expect the same from the Chromatic Deluxe?
> "Hering Blues 48" or "Hering Blues Band 48" - Availability?? Price around
> $100?? 12 holes (round). One archive post referenced the superior air
> tightness of this harp. Can anyone help to put that into context with some or all
> of the options listed above. I can't seem to find an on-line US retailer of
> this harmonica. The Hering USA site (via Brazil??) doesn't seem to be up and
> running yet. An archive post referenced the www.jldyermusic.com site for
> this harp. This looks like a potential source although there is no ability to
> order directly from this site. I have sent mail on availability.
> I am intrigued by the 12 hole harps. I often find myself wanting more on a
> run down to the 1 blow during a slow blues tune. I've never played a round
> hole harmonica. Any considerations there? So really, the above is a long way
> of asking which is tighter, the Seydel or the Hering and where are the best
> places to find/buy the Hering. Any other useful input on this topic would be
> Glenn Woodhouse
> The ColdRail Blues Band
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