Re: [Harp-L] New Hohner star theory

[Payne David <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Columbo, no... but I did win an award once from the West Virginia Press Association for "Best Investigative Journalism." 
I'll file that fact about the 1937 date, that's the year I always heard they switched, but if they made a new die for that, then they probably continued it longer on that line. 
Another thing I'd like to add to this jumble of facts in my head is when Otto Weiss died/retired.

Dave
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----- Original Message ----
From: steve warner <10reedsbent@xxxxxxxxx>
To: harp-l <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 3:36:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] New Hohner star theory

Hmmmm......You ever thought about returning as Columbo?  I mean the trench
coat and all is very bluesy you know!  Very interesting hypothesis, Dave.
All I know is that I have a 6 point star 16 hole Chromonika III in good
working condition and I'm not letting that puppy go.  I know Allan Holmes
has one and someone else I met had one.  I'm not sure if all 16's are like
mine so I'll post what's on it as far as date stamps that most refer to
Grand Prix.  There's 1926, 1927, 1937 and what appears to be 1803, but it
may be a bad 9 stamp as there is a slight line under the bottom of the round
part of the number, which may be a 9.  Kind of like a hangin' chad.

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Payne David <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> I've been looking at trademarks and I had one of those Eureka ideas a while
> back, one of those ideas that hit you while you are driving in the car. I've
> been meaning to post this for about two weeks now, but I've been extremely
> busy. I've heard that the Hohner star represented the Hohner kids in the
> biz, which a lot of folks refute cause the use of the star, five point and
> six point, makes no sense.
> What I offer here is purely circumstantial, but interesting nonetheless and
> I think is the most plausible explanation presented thus far on the
> prewar Hohner trademark star.
> Hohner isn't the only one to have used the star.
>
> Here's some others
> Five point star- Jacob Birk, Trossingen.
>
> Six point star-
> Adolf Duerrschmidt
> Carl Essbach
> Emil "Horn Dog" Friedel,
> Carl Herold
> Armin Liebmann
> Christian Weiss
> Otto Reichelt
>
> I've got some Hohner New Best QUality Harps, the harp that became the Old
> Standby from around WWI. On those, Hohner pairs the 5-point star with a moon
> in what is identical to the crescent moon/star of Islam, but the symbol is
> older than Islam, so Hohner might have been thinking of the Eastern Roman
> Empire, the contemporary Ottoman Empire or maybe just liked the way it
> looked, of the three, I'd guess he just liked the way it looked. I have no
> idea where Hohner came up with the crescent moon and star, but I believe the
> five-point star came from that early pairing with the crescent moon. It's
> not just the N.B.Q. harps, an early Hohner trademark has the crescent moon
> and star as well. Many companies looked to the heavens for trademarks, there
> were many companies using stars, and many companies (Seydel is one) who used
> a sun.
>
> So this same star also finds its way on the back of prewar Mouse Ear Marine
> Bands, Old Standbys etc.
>
> Now, here was the Eureka moment.... the six point star. The six-point star
> starts appearing on Marine Bands, when, the late 1920s, early 1930s?
> Of the seven companies who used the SIX point star on their trademark, one
> is especially significant. When Hohner left the clock biz, he saw the
> harmonica as a big moneymaker. He tried to get hired on with Messner to
> learn the trade, but Messner told him to take a hike.
> So Hohner makes buddies with Weiss, Messner's nephew who was starting his
> own harp company. He would go over to Weiss' shop and hang out with Weiss,
> looking over his shoulder the whole time and learn how harps were made while
> supposedly shooting the bull. Messner eventually got on and threw him out,
> but Hohner got his education.
> Over the following decades, Hohner buried the Weiss company. In the 1920s,
> the Weiss heir died leaving the company to a brother, Otto Weiss. He sold
> the company to Hohner in 1928 to Hohner. Part of that deal was Otto got a
> management position at Hohner.
> The Weiss trademark was simply a big six-point star with a "W" inside of
> it. It wasn't long at all after Hohner owned that trademark and Otto Weiss
> was on board with Hohner in a management position that the six-pointed star
> appears on Marine Bands, etc. There are numerous other examples when Hohner
> used trademarks of assimilated companies... so it makes sense to me.
>
> I think that's the most plausible explanation yet.
>
> Dave
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