Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Norton not Ricci (or Mayall/Guthrie?) ;)

[EGS1217@xxxxxxx]

I was going by a couple of photos (used as album covers on either Amazon or  
EBay) of early John Mayall..where he is sans wiry hair, or goatee.  He  looks 
remarkably like the photo with Sonny Terry.  I've no idea if it's him  or 
not..was merely surmising...if it WAS a video, it'd probably be easier  to 
identify the guy...but a still photo on a slideshow is a lot more  difficult.
 
Agree about the hat.  Means nothing...since a lot of guys  back from the 
'60's, '70's -on wore them.
 
I'd consider Rob and Madcat much more the authorities...I have no stake in  
this other than historical accuracy ...was just a guess from a photo. But  am 
mildly curious as to whom it ends up turning out to be.
 
Not sure they'll translate via harp-l, but here are the scanned photos  
(though I've no idea at all how old Mayall was when they were taken):
 
_http://music.aol.com/album/back-to-the-roots/36693_ 
(http://music.aol.com/album/back-to-the-roots/36693) 
 
 
this one from:The Blues alone album: 
 
 
_http://music.aol.com/album/the-blues-alone/36678_ 
(http://music.aol.com/album/the-blues-alone/36678) 
 
 
>From the John Mayall plays John Mayall album
 
 
_http://music.aol.com/album/john-mayall-plays-john-mayall/36676_ 
(http://music.aol.com/album/john-mayall-plays-john-mayall/36676) 
 
 
and even this one..from the 1978 Last of the British Blues Album...where  
he's 45? (if the photo's current to the album) ...but it gives an idea of  just 
how a photo can make an individual look quite different from  themselves 
'animated'.
 
 
_http://music.aol.com/album/last-of-the-british-blues/36709_ 
(http://music.aol.com/album/last-of-the-british-blues/36709) 
 
 
"Message: 11
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:21:07 -0500
From: Joe and Cass  Leone <leone@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Norton not Ricci
To:  Walter Joyce <wtjoyce45@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Feb 20,  2008, at 9:39 AM, Walter Joyce wrote:

>
> FWIW, John Mayall  would have just turned 40 in 1973. He was one of  
> my earliest  influences.
>
> Walter Joyce
>
Yeah Walter. I'm really glad  you brought this up because it gives me  
a chance to redeem myself. I  wasn't trying to be the all seeing all  
knowing authority yesterday. I  was just giving an opinion and hope no  
one took it the wrong way. I am  not an expert on these matters, and  
would venture out and go as far as  to say that Rob Paparrozzi, and  
Madcat, and Elizabeth are probably  more knowledgeable on these matters.

In other words I'm not saying that  I'm right. I'm just making an  
educated guess. It so happens that I  have no recollection of ever  
seeing nor having heard Norton Buffalo  until around 2003. I mean I  
had heard the name but couldn't put a face  to the name. Certainly not  
an 'early' face. Whereas, I HAD seen  Butterfield and Mayall....up close.

Depending on WHEN this video was  made, would make a BIG difference.  
As John Mayall wore very long hair  (much like Arlo Guthrie), and a  
wirey goatee. Unlike Guthrie, however,  (who was kinda cute), he had a  
rather menacing look, and piercing  steeley grey? eyes. It wasn't  
until you got close to him and his size  became apparent that the  
menacing part slipped away.

So: A  video shot in 1968. Mayall would be 35, Butterfield would be  
25, 'I'  would be 25, Norton would be only 15.
"         "          "      1973. Mayall  40, Butterfield 30,  
Norton 20
"         "          "       1978.  Mayall 45, Butterfield 35,  
Norton 25

Sooo, to make a long story  short, I used 'facial degresssion', and,  
to me anyway, the person  looks to be around 20-25, doesn't have high  
cheekbones, isn't gaunt.  The only thing that matches both is the  
weight (maybe 154 lbs). As for  the hat. That doesn't phase me as I  
have a hat (with concho) that is  similar to the ones worn by Stevie  
Ray Vaughn, Bo Diddley, Charley  McCoy.

In conclusion, Of the three, the only player whose music I  followed  
was Mayall's. I don't know anything about the other  two.

smokey-joe" 






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