Re: [Harp-L] the difference between funk and blues

[Philharpn@xxxxxxx]

Much of what is today considered hard-core blues: Muddy, Little Walter, Slim 
Harpo and others was nothing but rock 'n' roll back in the 50s and 60s -- 
because just about everything with a guitar and a beat was considered rock 'n' 
roll.

We listeners didn't know the difference and the DJs certainly didn't.

Even country type stuff was considered rock; otherwise it would have never 
been played on Detroit AM radio back in the day.

If nobody has clarified yet; Funk is just a subgenre of blues. You could play 
a blues with a polka beat or a cha cha beat; it would still be a blues. 
Witness Rhumba blues.
Phil




In a message dated 8/27/08 9:19:52 PM, rick.dempster@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:


> I think you're are talking personal definitions here, Bill. The fact is 
> (here in Australia, at least) Zep were on mainstream radio ('Whole Lotta Love', 
> 'Stairway' etc in company with the Monkees, Partridge Family et al.  So were 
> Black Sabbath even....this stuff was 'popular' therefore it is 'pop' music, 
> like it or lump it.
> RD
> 
> >>> <billhines4@xxxxxxxxxxx> 28/08/2008 10:38 >>>
> Mike, I respectfully but strongly disagree. I lived through that era. It was 
> my day, when my colours were bright and troubles few and girlfriends many. 
> That was my time. Zep was *never* pop music (well maybe briefly much later 
> when they sold out put out that stupid horrible stuff like "Hot Dog", wtf).
> 
> The pop music of that day was Monkees (who I hated) Day Dream Believer, 
> Association, Partridge Family (are you f'en kiddin' me?? - we said that a lot in 
> NJ) Motown (which I loved also) stuff like that. In the late 70's kids like 
> me who were listening to that sexy Night Bird on the rebel FM band, WNEW out 
> of NYC were listing to what was then "alternative" music like Led Zeppelin, 
> Sabbath, Yes, Pink Floyd, Creedence, Hocus Pocus, Deep Purple etc. NOT pop 
> music. The pop crap was on scratchy 77 AM WABC and said Cousin Brucie. That was 
> for teeny-boppers, we were the kids smoking weed, hanging out on the street 
> corners in ripped up jeans (that were not bought 'distressed'), smoking weed 
> and chooglin 40oz Stegmeiers and kicking ass. And NOT listening to pop music. 
> unless it was some cool motown stuff. nobody could deny marvin gaye. nobody. 
> I'll never forget the time I heard Stairway to Heaven, late at night laying in 
> my bed on a high school school night thanking the stairs that dad!
>   hadn't
> caught me coming in wasted.
> 
> Certainly not the great blues based Zep hits like "Since I've Been Loving 
> You" and "Killing Floor". You never heard Cousin Brucie playing that stuff. 
> Just want to set the record straight from someone who was there and lived it. We 
> were dark outcasts who listened to that stuff, and the anti-pop crowd.
> 
> Ye blaspheme sir. I know you are younger than my 50 years. This is how it 
> was. Maybe later after it passed it might have come off as pop, but not in the 
> day when it was real and fresh. That's why I loved it so much.
> 
> That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Oh yeah, and gas was 50 cents a 
> gallon. I'd take my dad's buick out, race it, and put a buck in the tank and he 
> was none the wiser. except that one time when mom took it shopping  the next 
> day and the carb linkage stuck and shot her down route 10 at about 90 mph. she 
> lived, thank the stars. i almost didn't. pop drank a lot and held no 
> quarter. you know what i'm saying smo-joe?
> 
> Harp content: I'd love to hear some Stevie Ray + Butterfield. Is that record
> ed somewhere?
> 
> Bill
> 
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Mike Fugazzi <mfugazzi67@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Exactly.  We tend to look at the past through rose-colored classes when it 
> comes
> > to a lot of music.  This extends beyond blues.  Many of us who enjoy 
> classic
> > rock complain about contemporary radio, but at one time bands like Led Zep
> > (there's your harp content) were "pop" music.  Or we talk about how awful 
> the
> > music kids listen to is...I wonder what parents thought of their kids 
> listening
> > to Hendrix?
> >
> > Or, like in the case of Stevie Ray Vaughn (who has jammed with
> > Butterfield...more harp content), they become "in" after their time as a 
> touring
> > musician.
> >
> > Mike Fugazzi
> >
> > Harmonica/Vocals
> >
> > http://www.myspace.com/niterailband
> >
> > http://www.myspace.com/mikefugazzi
> >
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