[Harp-L] Re: ]Re: not 12 bar / Roadhouse Blues



Harri, that's very kind of you to say and I am humbled by your generosity of spirit.

I believe in the natural approach, the unnatural approach, technically assisted or done in a cave with no input from anyone. In other words, I think it's great to play a musical instrument no matter how its approached. Of course I love the harp like everybody on this list but that also applies to piano, pan-pipes, mandolin, hurdy-gurdy, bassoon, (gulp) heavy metal guitar or any musical instrument. I also believe that as far as inborn talent goes, more people have talent than they suspect and if they'd just do it, they'd experience the great joy that we all do in playing. In fact, I'd be surprised if everyone doesn't have enough of that inborn talent to be able to profit from playing. I think the idea of talent (and the fear of not having any or enough) stops too many people from entering into this world we all know and love. Of course maybe that's making a virtue of necessity on my part because of my own possible lack of talent!

Yeah, the theory doesn't hurt. But it isn't a necessity. For me its a tool. I put my gear in cases and some people bring theirs to in paper sacks. Just a choice of tools. I like mechanical pencils and fancy erasers and writing stuff down, but some people just memorize on the spot - those darn SOB's!!! - they always know the tunes by heart WAY before I do. But its just tools. Theory is a useful tool for me but I played plenty of gigs for a decade or more knowing precious little. Now that I've gotten into theory awhile I find it to be another enjoyable pursuit, another aspect of something I love. And it helps, makes a lot of things more convenient for me. But there's a lot of ways to skin the cat and mine is but one. Music was on this earth a lot longer than traditions of writing it down and developing elaborate terminologies and theories to explain it. I know that! And we all know that the way we get to sound better on the harp is by...playing the harp! Same for any axe.

Thanks again Harri for saying such nice things - what a kind person! Just wait until I have some squeezin' of the grape and say something really obnoxious...boy am I in for it then!

Vince


On Mar 21, 2007, at 5:57 PM, Haka Harri wrote:


Vince and all on the list,

It's marvelous to have the likes of Vince on this list. It is nice to read constructive feedback on the theory of music and not being criticized for "ignorance" of theory. Still believe in the natural approach to playing harp which means an inborn talent that can not be replaced by any training. Having said that, I agree with all of you saying that learning the theory behind it doesn't hurt.

Harri


Vince wrote:
I thought of something else that maybe isn't so razzle dazzle that
might be helpful.

Most blues tunes repeat a form, i.e. a specific pattern of when the
chords change (like most jazz tunes, with for the most part
different
forms between them).  For blues that's predominantly what we know as
the "12 bar", referring to how many measures it takes to
complete the
form (bar = measure).  Within that "12 bar" there are loads of
variations but for the most part they are fundamentally more similar
than different.  That branches out to 8-bar, 24 bar, other
varieties,
but the bulk are 12-bar forms.  Then there are some with a "bridge"
in addition to a 12-bar (I Want To Be Loved by Muddy).  And
some with
maybe an "interlude" between verses, solos, etc. (300 Lbs., although
only the solos are strict 12-bar forms in that one).  Anyway, the
deal is that most blues that we end up playing and listening to are
"12-bars" and follow a familiar form that we recognize.

In pop tunes, arguably particularly in the blues-influenced era of
the 60's and 70's (ah, wasn't that a nice time for pop music!)
familiar forms are frequently suggested or borrowed from, but not
necessarily adhered to in the classical sense.  Roadhouse
blues is an
example.  It's structure is such that the 24 bar form is really only
stated fully once - everything else is sort of getting there,
getting
out of it and finishing.  Even though its free ranging according to
pop sensibilities, it still follows a sort of "get goin', build it
up, do it, express yourself, then suggest "it" and get out without
full repitition of form.  We're used to form repeating in blues -
that's part of the style - but in pop tunes it ain't
necessarily like
that.  Although nowadays the "sales through attrition" method seems
to favor a numbing repetition of material much less interesting than
our beloved blues.  But then I'm a curmudgeon.

Oh cripes...I thought I'd bring something up easy and just blabbered
tons of words again.  Did I mention that I drink a LOT of coffee?




Vince Meghrouni http://www.myspace.com/fiendhorn







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