Fwd: RE: [Harp-L] ii-V-I question and Help Me/Green Onions

["Winslow Yerxa" <winslowyerxa@xxxxxxxxx>]

You're confusing scale degrees with chords.

Roman numerals refer to the chords I-IV-V, etc..

Notes are referred to with Arabic numerals - 1, 2, 3, etc.. 

For instance the riff you're referring to goes 1 - b3 - 4. And you're 
right, the riff is played over the I chord, then it is transposed up 
a 4th and played over the IV chord, then back to the I chord, then V-
IV-I (not ii-V-I), being transposed to start on the root of the chord 
in each instance.

As to which was first, Help Me or Green Onions, the question is sort 
of irrelevant as John Lee Hooker had been using that so-
called "boogie" riff for years before the 1962 Booker T & the MGs 
instrumental or Sonny Boy's 1963 song.

--- In harp-l-archives@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Rob-bit <ratboyrob@xxxx> 
wrote:

Help me isn't a I-II-V....It starts on the ! then goes goes up a 
minor III then to the IV. This riff pattern repeats off a I-IV-V 
progression.....
  I wonder if SBW stole this lick from "Green Onions" which I believe 
was recorded 1st....hmmmm?
   
       Anyway, a good example in a bluesier context of a I-II-V would 
be a song off Paul Butterfield's 1st "Better Days" record, The song 
is called "Highway 28"...a great harp performance too!
   
  best, rob paparozzi

Bill Hines <billhines4@xxxx> wrote:
  Doesn't Help Me use I-II-V (Bbm, C7, Fm)? Maybe not in that order, I
don't know what the heck I'm talking about but when looking at the 
music
for the song I thought I saw that.


-----Original Message-----
From: harp-l-bounces@xxxx [mailto:harp-l-bounces@xxxx] On
Behalf Of Jp Pagan
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:46 PM
To: harp-l harp-l
Subject: [Harp-L] ii-V-I question

hey everyone,

having a little trouble getting the "feel" of the
ii-V-I progression (whereas the I-IV-V is like, second
nature practically). can anyone point me to some songs
(or parts of songs) that use this progression in a
fairly "plain" way? something that makes the
progression easy to hear? thanks,

--Jp 


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