[Harp-L] payola

chris smith <harpshredder@xxxxxxxxx> · Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:23:33 -0700 (PDT)

        Yes harpsters,
                                   Payola is a reality
:has been for decades .
There's a very good book on the subject called "Hit
Men " .In
addition to scrutinizing illegal record promo
practices generally it also chronicles the release of
Pink Floyd's mega-
hit "The Wall ". The band made a conscious choice to
avoid paying any indie promoters feeling that the
strength of their product (and reputation) would
suffice to make it a #1 record . They proved
themselves right. All over the world this album went
straight to the top of the charts and wound up staying
there,unprecedentedly, FOR YEARS !! There was one
interesting anomaly in this amazing success story :
for the 
first year or so the record could'nt be heard in the
tiny rural
community called Los Angeles ! 

      Chris "Hammer" Smith

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> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:36:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: scott <checker758@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Pop is for the weak. 
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> There are a lot of factors involved making a hit
> record - politics, money, etc.  But if you guys
> really believe it's as cut and dried as you say
> below, you're both wrong.  I've worked in the radio
> business for over 25 years.  Radio airplay cannot
> make someone buy a record they don't like.  Money
> and politics can open the door of opportunity, but
> radio will NOT continue to play a record that people
> express a dis-like for.  There are federal laws
> against pay-for-play, and there is WAY too much
> money to be made in radio advertising for anyone to
> jeopardize their license for the sake of one record
> or one label or one payoff.  Radio stations cannot
> and do not accept "pay for airtime", and I can tell
> you from experience that THAT'S a fact.  What they
> *can* do that may be beyond the means of a small
> label or individual is buy a commercial that
> promotes their product, the same way any other
> company does.  These commercials don't get reported
> as "airplay" to any of the publications t!
>  hat track
>  airplay and create the hit charts.  Does Clear
> Channel give favorable treatment to artists that are
> playing CC venues?  Probably.  But radio is about
> ratings, and rating are about advertising revenue. 
> No one in radio who wants to keep his job is going
> to jeopardize ratings by continually jamming some
> piece of crap record down listener's throats.  
>  
> A part of the equation that most conspiracy
> theorists who believe the scenarios presented below
> seem to ignore, or are unaware of, is that many
> millions - possibly billions - of dollars are spent
> by radio researching exactly what listeners do and
> don't want to hear.  It's directly detrimental to
> the bottom line for a radio station to play a record
> that people have said they don't like.  The flip
> side is that it can be beneficial to the bottom line
> to play a record that a majority of people have said
> they want to hear.  Which route do you think is most
> common?
>  
> Not arguing that there isn't an abundance of
> mediocrity out there - only that it's out there
> because the vast majority of music "fans" /
> consumers ask for it, and prefer it.  It's one of
> the sad facts life for a musician that most of the
> people you want to play for aren't as engaged in the
> music as you are, and don't really want to be
> challenged.  They want stuff that's easy to like,
> not stuff you have to work at in order to
> appreciate.  There's an expression I've heard people
> involved in research say many times: "The masses are
> asses."  That may be true, but it's the masses that
> decide whether a record is a hit.
>  
> One more thing that needs to be clarified, about
> deregulation (which by the way I agree is the worst
> thing ever to happen to radio, but that's a whole
> other post): No one company can own every station in
> a market.  There are still ownership limits that are
> calculated by some sort of formula that changes the
> number of stations from market to market.  But
> companies with deep pockets CAN own multiple radio
> stations in a market, and effectively monopolize the
> media, definitely a bad thing on many levels.  Here
> in Chicago, CC is at their limit, at 8 or 9 stations
> - they can't own any more.  Prior to deregulation,
> the limit was one AM, one FM, one TV, and one
> newspaper owned by one company in any given market.
>  
> Scott
>  
> --- In harp-l-archives@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, ""
> <harpgawd@xxxx> wrote:
> > "Chris Michalek" <Chris@xxxx> wrote: 
> > > Believe what you want about advertising and the
> music industry.
> > > Labels pay for the airtime. That's a fact.  Do
> your research. They
> > > decide who the HITs will be, the masses has a
> less of a say then you
> > > think.  If somebody in power decided Jazz is the
> next "IT" music then
> > > it would be.  Unfortunately they are all
> following each other and
> > > thus the circle of mediocrity continues. There
> are exceptions of
> > > course. IMOWFL
> > 
> > Chris is absolutely right about this except it's
> not exactly the labels.
> > It's all politics involving labels, radio, lawyers
> and most importantly,
> > money. I'm involved in the music business - which
> is an oxymoron - and
> > the powers-that-be decide who will be the next
> number one, not the
> > masses. Tim McGraw's latest single will be number
> one for the next two
> > weeks followed by Faith Hill's for a week followed
> by the Dixie Chicks.
> > It's the same in ALL genres.
> > 
> > It didn't used to be so bad but since the
> "deregulation" of radio in
> > 1996 one company can own hundreds of stations.
> Check out Clear Channel.
> > They own 1800+ stations including every station in
> a market. The
> > country, pop, classic rock, hip-hop, etc.
> stations. There's no
> > competition for advertising. They also own most
> venues these days. And
> > if an artist refuses to play their venues and use
> Ticketmaster, their
> > songs don't get played on Clear Channel's
> stations. Prior to the
> > deregulation, one company could only own four
> stations and only one in
> > any given market.
> > 
> > I have a buddy that co-wrote a Hank Jr. single 1
> 1/2 years ago. But
> > since Hank Jr. pissed off radio long ago it only
> reached 38 on the
> > charts even though the masses liked the song a
> lot.
> > 
> > Like the government and freedom, it ain't what
> they tell you in school.
> > 
> > Bobby
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> Date: Thu,  6 Oct 2005 09:38:46 -0500
> From: "Jonathan Metts" <jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Harp-L] Bushman Service, Construction
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> I bought a Bushman Soul's Voice in Low D a few
> months 
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