Re: [Harp-L] swingin 16ths



Good point, Arthur. Funk often divides the beat into 4 and then swings the divisions in pairs of 2+2. This si audible at medium tempos

Swing has to happen at a certain level of the beat or beat division. Jazz swings the divisions of the beat itself, though it can also divide the beat other ways (16th, explicit triplets, etc.). If the divisions of the beat become liquid, swinging at a lower level of division is like subdividing water.

But if you divide the beat in 4 and then swing paris from that 4, you have a stable base to work from.
 
Winslow Yerxa
President, SPAH, the Society for the Preservation and Advancement of the Harmonica
Producer, the Spring 2014 Harmonica Collective
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________________________________
 From: Arthur Jennings <timeistight@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Harp-L <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] swingin 16ths
 

I think a lot of Funk music is played with swung sixteenths. I don't think
it uses swung eights, though.



On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Winslow Yerxa <winslowyerxa@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> Good point, Jerome
>
> I remember hearing Stuff Smith take a violin solo on a Nat Cole record. He
> played nothing but quarter notes on the beat, and it swung like hell!
>
> I've heard Louis Armstrong do the same thing. That famous video of him
> singing and playing Dinah live in Copnhage in 1930-something has some
> examples of that.
>
> Winslow
>
> Winslow Yerxa
> President, SPAH, the Society for the Preservation and Advancement of the
> Harmonica
> Producer, the Spring 2014 Harmonica Collective
> Author, Harmonica For Dummies, ISBN 978-0-470-33729-5
>             Harmonica Basics For Dummies, ASIN B005KIYPFS
>             Blues Harmonica For Dummies, ISBN 978-1-1182-5269-7
> Resident Expert, bluesharmonica.com
> Instructor, Jazzschool for Music Study and Performance
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: JersiMuse <jersimuse@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: 'Boris Plotnikov' <ploboris@xxxxxxxxx>; 'Music Cal' <
> macaroni9999@xxxxxxxxx>; harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 12:42 AM
> Subject: RE: [Harp-L] swingin 16ths
>
>
> Honestly, I'd be surprised if you could get any sense of swing that way.
> In my (very) humble opinion, the only thing that creates swing is where you
> put the accents.
> Listen to actual jazz players : they swing, whereas most of them play
> straight 8ths (and 16ths).
> Once you got the right accents, you can begin to play more laid back. If
> you
> do the other way around (like a lot of harp players do, I have to admit),
> you'll only have longer notes on the beat, but that does not create any
> kind
> of swing (to my opinion, this is a sort of urban legend).
> Listen to Charlie Parker (just an example), slow down his 16ths, and you'll
> hear that he puts his accents exactly the same way he does on 8ths.
> Nothing changes but the celerity. I guess that's why he is a master :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerome Peyrelevade
> www.youtube.com/JersiMuse
>
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : harp-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:harp-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] De la
> part
> de Boris Plotnikov
> Envoyé : jeudi 3 avril 2014 08:50
> À : Music Cal; harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
> Objet : Re: [Harp-L] swingin 16ths
>
> First step to swinging 16th is practicing sextoles, 6 notes per one
> quarter.
> Get a rather slow tempo (around 60-80) and play at least some notes in
> sextoles, 1) by tonguing (ta-ki-ta-ta-ki-ta) or just 2) by changing notes
> (e.g. cycle 4d 5b 5d 4d 5b 5d) or mix 3) 4d 4d 5b 5b 5d 5d or 4) roll 4d
> 4db
> 3d 4d 4db 3d. Feel the pulse, then omit 2-nd note and 4th note (make 1st
> and
> 3rd note longer) and you'll get swinging 16th.
>
>
> 2014-04-03 9:29 GMT+04:00 Music Cal <macaroni9999@xxxxxxxxx>:
>
> > So I am guessing most players on this list know how to swing 8th notes
> > to get the lilting laid back feeling so characteristic of jazz. But
> > how do you (as in you) swing 16th notes? One could just "double time"
> > the feel of the 8th note swing but IMO the result does not lilt. Or
> > one could double time the eighth note feel for every other pair of
> > 16th notes - has a better lilt IMO. So how do you do it? Or do you just
> play 16th notes straight.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks, Boris Plotnikov
> http://borisplotnikov.ru
>



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Arthur Jennings
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