[Harp-L] Crossover and Hohner
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Just starting to get back into playing after a 1/2 dozen years of hardly picking one. Being out of the loop, it was just a month or two ago that I found out about the Crossover. Bought some, impressed, but have always hated the MB feel and face of it . Does anyone know if Hohner has plans to incorporate that reed and plate work into any other models in the future?
I am in the pipeline for B Radical....any knowledge of how fast that train is moving?
I apologize if these are redundant questions. Just trying to make the appropriate bulk purchasing decisions .
Thanks,
Gary Green
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1. sonny boy jr 2 (Fast Fred)
2. Re: Hey Abner, and all those just starting out... (Alan Kindler)
3. Re: Hey Abner, and all those just starting out... (Chuck Dean)
4. Harmonica patent search (Michael Easton)
5. Re: Chromatic Harp_L? (Abner)
6. Re: Harmonica patent search (Vern)
7. Special 20 screws (Matthew Smart)
8. Waylon Harp! (Rob Paparozzi)
9. Re: Harmonica patent search (Michael Easton)
10. Why you should learn chromatic (michael rubin)
11. Re: Re: Hey Abner, and all those just starting out... (Abner)
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ate: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:16:00 -0400
rom: Fast Fred <knuck89360@xxxxxxx>
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I have a 2002 Sonny Boy JR II one of the finniest harp amps I have ever owned.
ne of a kind special built with papers of Authenticity . original price
2000.00 and is still looking like and playing like the day it was built .a
weed cabinet that looks a lot like a 59 bassman
this amp will blow you a way ! BUT I must sell it if any one is interested
lease contact me off line a knuck89360@xxxxxxx
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ate: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:56:36 -0400
rom: Alan Kindler <kindler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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o: Chuck Dean <cadean329@xxxxxxxxx>
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Does it work on a Mac OS?
lan
n Jun 9, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
> Here is a bit of information I dug out of the bowels of my computer.
I hope it helps.
A good source for everything chromatic is Harp on:
http://www.angelfire.com/music/HarpOn/
There is a great software called "Harping"
Here's a link:
http://www.harpingmidi.com/download.html
It is shareware, so you can try it out for free. (only $19.95 USD if
you
decide to buy it)
Harping has a variety
of ways to view music. By notes, by tab, or you can view a Harmonica
graphic which will show you what holes to play.
It works with most diatonic and chromatic tunings.
You find the tune you want to play in MIDI format, open it in Harping,
then through the Mixer (Find it in "View" you can select what part of
the song you want to learn.
Another nice touch, the Harping Tab is done on a standard staff, so
while you are learning the songs by number you are also learning to
read music.
Because I am legally blind and have trouble differentiating between
lines and spaces on a staff. Harping has opened the door for me.
It is more fun learning songs than just scales.
Try it, you'll like it!
Chuck
"It's the early bird that catches the worm, but the second mouse
gets the
cheese"
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ate: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:17:45 -0700
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Sorry, I do not think it works on Mac.
huck
It's the early bird that catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the
heese"
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ate: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:34:26 -0400
rom: Michael Easton <diachrome@xxxxxxxxxxx>
ubject: [Harp-L] Harmonica patent search
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know a few of you like to research patents on harp designs. I have
design I'm considering getting patented for chromatics but
need to do a specific search on the US Patent office website. Is
here a way to look up harmonicas then hone in on a specific part of
he chromatic to see if the patent has been granted.
I don't want to give any details until I do the search myself then
erhaps contact a patent attorney.
thanks
ichael Easton
ww.harmonicarepair.com
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ate: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:03:23 -0400
rom: Abner <cdgaldos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
ubject: Re: [Harp-L] Chromatic Harp_L?
o: Rob Paparozzi <Chromboy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Since we are still on the subject of the Chrom,
have learned a bit of the differance between the Chrom and the
iatonic.
have no Chrom and am now thinking of getting one. But it seems a lot
ore complicated then the Diatonic. All my teaching materials are all
n Diatonics.
nd my being a tone deaf, non musical simpleton makes learning a bit
arder.
bner ( BluEyes, don't forget being lazy)
n Jun 9, 2010, at 9:07 AM, "Rob Paparozzi" <Chromboy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
rote:
> Excellent Post Joe and alot of Funny Truths in there!!!,-)
However, IMO, I think the Chromatic is only getting more popular
amongst Diatonic players and surely going beyond 3rd position
interest, at least that's what I'm seeing in my travels and teaching
requests.
OK regarding your Number 9,-) ...Just remember if your SLIDE spring
breaks, you risk being evicted from your home, however I heard they
are building a new Ronald McDonald Home for these wandering 'Broken
buttoned Vagabonds' called The SM House,-))))
just joshing ofcourse, nice work on the post, I enjoyed it!
best,
Rob
PS....as my favorite singer Clarence 'Frogman Henry' from new
orleans sings:
I AIN'T GOT NO HOME !
> 9... Remember, chromatics are like an apartment building. Each and
> every note has a TRUE bone fide address. Some on the first floor
> (slide in). some on the second (slide out). Some on this side of
> the hall (draw), some on the opposite side (blow). But with a
> chromo. it is almost impossible to get an address wrong. A
> diatonic is more like a rooming house. Although you DO have apts/
> rooms for MOST of the notes, some have no TRUE home and live a..in
> the laundry room, b..in the stair well, c.. in the utility/furnace
> room, d.. in the linen locker, e.. in the void in the walls
> between apt 3 & 4 where the chimney and plumbing goes.
>
> In other words, these are the notes where you (as the mail man)
> more or less INVENTED an address FOR them in an effort to 'deliver
> their mail'. Every note manufactured out of thin air has an
> address concocted out of thin air.
----- Original Message ----- From: "joe leone" <3n037@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Mojo Red" <harplicks@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Harp L Harp L" <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Chromatic Harp_L?
>
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Mojo Red wrote:
> Having to do with dividing harmonicas into divisions.
>
> This was done most excellently tongue in cheek. To which I replied
> ALSO tongue in cheek. And I hope everyone took it as such. But I
> have a few things to submit that may or may not help explain the
> 'perceived' division(s) in harpers. Remember, this is only an
> opinion. Ascertained from years of ascertainment.
>
> 1... There seem to be some (remember, I said some) music readers
> whom think that they are up a step when dealing with non music
> readers. This is fine EXCEPT, I know readers who play with no
> feeling. Given a choice, I prefer the one whom plays with feeling.
>
> 2... There are some (remember the some) players whom only play the
> C chromatic and learn everything in every key on said chromo. To
> this end, they feel they are up a step when dealing with people
> who play various keys IN that key. While it IS true that most
> players who play other keys DO do this, there are also players who
> use various keys IN various keys. Winding up with a THIRD various
> key.
>
> 3... There are chromo players who feel that unless you are able to
> play the melody, you are a step down. This is where there is a
> division between chromo and diatonic players. Some chromo players
> feel that for diatonic players to only comp., fill in, do runs &
> riffs, and in general add flavor, are not as interesting as
> someone who can do the 'recognizable' melody. They feel that even
> the diatonic solos are only improv. Even if the player can
> duplicate these solos, it is still improv.
>
> 4... Most chromo players (with exceptions) stay pretty much close
> to the melody. And anyone who goes so far out into orbit so as to
> loose said melody, are not good players, and therefore loose
> respect. While diatonic players are better known for pushing the
> extreme edge of the world and spend time balancing out over the
> edge, some getting very close to falling off, most chromo players
> don't venture as far into the netherworld.
>
> 5... Some chromo players are not impressed when someone plays
> diatonic, claims to also play chromo, but only uses the chromo in
> the 3rd (Dm) position. Using the excuse that Dm is the easiest key
> one can possibly Play ON a chromo. Using the excuse that there is
> NO possible way to GET a discord in Dm, and ANY mouth full of DRAW
> notes will work as the notes all mesh melodically.
>
> 6... Some players (both chromatic and diatonic) feel that altered
> tunings are 'cheating'. Their feeling is that YOU are playing
> something that you PURPOSELY rigged in such a way that THEY can't
> duplicate it. Even if the only reason you did it was to make it
> sound better. They still think they are being 'slicked' (cheated).
>
> 7... There are players in both instruments that feel that their
> taste in music is what they will listen to. Instead of being open
> minded, and giving other music a chance. Why I remember a man
> leaving the hall when 'The Mooch' was played. Being a droning
> minor key arrangement, that (very good chromo player), referred to
> it as 'Devil Music'.
>
> As I said the other day, I think it's an age thing. Many of the
> older players are set in their ways, and have developed a taste for
> music that, may seem to some people, be frozen in time.
>
> 8... Some players see harmonicas as being male & female. Just as
> the female it thought by many to be the 'newer improved' model,
> the older, earlier to arrive diatonic is the male from which the
> chromatic sprung almost 'rib like' onto the scene. To that end,
> some players see the chromatic as the new improved model.
>
> 9... Remember, chromatics are like an apartment building. Each and
> every note has a TRUE bone fide address. Some on the first floor
> (slide in). some on the second (slide out). Some on this side of
> the hall (draw), some on the opposite side (blow). But with a
> chromo. it is almost impossible to get an address wrong. A
> diatonic is more like a rooming house. Although you DO have apts/
> rooms for MOST of the notes, some have no TRUE home and live a..in
> the laundry room, b..in the stair well, c.. in the utility/furnace
> room, d.. in the linen locker, e.. in the void in the walls
> between apt 3 & 4 where the chimney and plumbing goes.
>
> In other words, these are the notes where you (as the mail man)
> more or less INVENTED an address FOR them in an effort to 'deliver
> their mail'. Every note manufactured out of thin air has an
> address concocted out of thin air.
>
> Ergo, I feel diatonics are more difficult to master than
> chromatics. I say this AS a (predominately) chromo player. So, in
> conclusion, everything is going to work out fine as the chromo band
> keeps getting smaller. The other day I said the dividing line is 64
> years of age. 15 years ago, I would have said 49. Time marches
> on..be patient. There's no reason for any (so called) divisions.
> Soon i will be a moot point..........by attrition. :(
>
> smokey-joe
>
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ate: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:45:50 -0700
rom: Vern <jevern@xxxxxxx>
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o: Michael Easton <diachrome@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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If I were you, I would trust Pat Missin with a description of the invention.
at is an expert on harmonica patents and could inform you of any existing
atents that "read" on your invention. If Pat doesn't knowe about a patent, it
robably doesn't exist. If nothing else, Pat is an expert in the process of
earching patents.
Not only that, but Pat has an exhaustive listing of harmonica patents on his
ebsite that have mostly to do with chromatic schemes.
Vern
On Jun 9, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Michael Easton wrote:
>
I know a few of you like to research patents on harp designs. I have a design
'm considering getting patented for chromatics but
I need to do a specific search on the US Patent office website. Is there a
ay to look up harmonicas then hone in on a specific part of the chromatic to
ee if the patent has been granted.
I don't want to give any details until I do the search myself then perhaps
ontact a patent attorney.
thanks
Michael Easton
www.harmonicarepair.com
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ate: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:54:15 -0400
rom: Matthew Smart <matthewsmart@xxxxxxxxx>
ubject: [Harp-L] Special 20 screws
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Does anyone know what size screws fit Special 20 reed plates (the inside)?
inslow emailed me this a while ago and I can' t find the email. Sorry for
he the repeat post. Thanks, M
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ate: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 21:02:46 -0400
rom: "Rob Paparozzi" <Chromboy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Some Nice Mickey Raphael w/ Waylon
aylon Trouble man
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5_UQJWQG6Q&feature=related
Amanda:
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1knCF94GRu0&feature=related
est,
ob Paparozzi
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ate: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:22:08 -0400
rom: Michael Easton <diachrome@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Pat and I discussed this idea briefly many years ago and he said he
ad the same idea but never followed through with it. I finally got
round to making it work. One of those things where the idea precedes
he technology or resources to make it happen. I had Pat on my mind
efore sending my first post to harpl. I trust Pat more then some of
y brothers. I just wanted to make an effort to do a little research
n my own before bugging him about it. I'm sure he knows the answer
lready. :)
Thanks for offering to help Ross. I'll save your email address and if
t looks like there is a chance to move forward I'll contact you.
Take Care
ike
n Jun 9, 2010, at 9:58 PM, pdxharpdog@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> I have no doubt that Vern is corrrect about Pat Missin being an
expert on harmonica patents. Please know that absent a signed non-
disclosure agreement between parties prior to disclosing anything
about potential intellectual property, there is no protection for
your idea should it turn out to be patentable. Not implying anything
about Pat specifically, just a general intellectual property
protection statement. I know a bit about the patent process and
have a US Patent. #5,167,575
Pat might, if willing, help you more quickly find out if your idea
is similar enough to prior art so as to render it not likely
patentable, but it is the US Patent office and specifically the
Patent reviewer who adjudicates your application and makes the final
decision on what is and is not patentable based on a review of prior
art. It is a complicated process.
Having been through this process, the best and least expensive way
to move forward early on is to do informal research on your own or
with willing parties (like Pat if he is willing) who have signed an
NDA and then, assuming that this informal process yields promise
that the intellectual property in question is in fact not obvious
prior art, to then get a reliable patent atty. who can guide you
through the complex process with the Patent Office.
I would be happy to talk to you about it (not the invention, but the
process of protecting your idea) if you want some free advice. No
strings - I am a business consultant and one of my areas of so
called acumen is IP. I would also sign an NDA. I can steer you to
forms to protect your idea and give you some business help on the
whole invention process. I successfully prosecuted my idea into a
patent and then into a sale to a Mfg. Had nothing to do with
harmonicas.
Best - Ross Macdonald
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vern" <jevern@xxxxxxx>
To: "Michael Easton" <diachrome@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Harpl list" <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2010 5:45:50 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Harmonica patent search
If I were you, I would trust Pat Missin with a description of the
invention. Pat is an expert on harmonica patents and could inform
you of any existing patents that "read" on your invention. If Pat
doesn't knowe about a patent, it probably doesn't exist. If nothing
else, Pat is an expert in the process of searching patents.
Not only that, but Pat has an exhaustive listing of harmonica
patents on his website that have mostly to do with chromatic schemes.
Vern
On Jun 9, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Michael Easton wrote:
>
> I know a few of you like to research patents on harp designs. I
have a design I'm considering getting patented for chromatics but
> I need to do a specific search on the US Patent office website.
Is there a way to look up harmonicas then hone in on a specific part
of the chromatic to see if the patent has been granted.
>
> I don't want to give any details until I do the search myself then
perhaps contact a patent attorney.
>
> thanks
> Michael Easton
> www.harmonicarepair.com
>
>
>
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ate: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:32:37 -0500
rom: michael rubin <michaelrubinharmonica@xxxxxxxxx>
ubject: [Harp-L] Why you should learn chromatic
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Tonite I threw some harps in my pocket and went to see Jimi Lee and
rendan Power. They invited me up to play a song in G. Imagine my
urprise when, of all harps to leave at home, I left my C harp.
uckily I brought my chromatic and did fine!
hanks to Brendan and Jimi!
ichael Rubin
ichaelrubinharmonica.com
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ate: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 00:06:51 -0400
rom: Abner <cdgaldos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
ubject: Re: [Harp-L] Re: Hey Abner, and all those just starting
out...
o: Chuck Dean <cadean329@xxxxxxxxx>
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Thank you.
ust got back from Open Mic, had a blast.
ure am thinking about that chrom
bner
n Jun 9, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Chuck Dean <cadean329@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Sorry, I do not think it works on Mac.
Chuck
"It's the early bird that catches the worm, but the second mouse
gets the
cheese"
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