[Harp-L] Re: Charlie Musslewhite



I had the pleasure of being part of one of Dave Barrett's masterclasses  when 
he would have 5 - 6 pros that gave a seminar then played with the band on  
Sat. - Charlie had to do his seminar at 9:00 and you could tell he was shot, but 
 he did everything in 5th position and didn't miss a note. A true gentleman, 
I  had a few minutes with him. And his wife I wouldn't arm wrestle for money. 
She  was on top of the game. Hell, she kicked a shark's butt, thank God she 
was not  hurt. 
 
 
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Today's Topics:

1. Pat Ramsey, RIP  (M. N.)
2. rest in peace, Mr. Ramsey (Dave Payne, Elk River  Harmonicas)
3. RE: Re: Pat Ramsey (John  Balding)
4. Re: Charlie Musslewhite  (venkyr@xxxxxxx)
5. re: history (Jonathan  Ross)
6. Re: Charlie Musslewhite (Michael Polesky,  MPA)
7. Re: Charlie Musslewhite (Dan Berger)
8. Re: re: history (Dave Payne, Elk River Harmonicas)
9.  R.I.P. Pat Ramsey (James)
10. Re: re: history (Arthur  Jennings)
11. Re: re: history (Roscoe  Catania)


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Message:  1
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:24:59 -0500
From: "M. N."  <mnessmith@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] Pat Ramsey, RIP
To: list  harp <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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To me, Pat WAS blues harmonica,  period. I first saw him in 1987 opening for 
Johnny Winter in Fort  Lauderdale,  FL. I was a high school kid and a big 
blues nut, but not yet  fully into playing harp (though I dug Junior Wells and 
Sonny Boy II and Little  Walter). Still, when that little unassuming dude with 
the big glasses stepped  back from his vocal mic and starting blasting, 
everything else faded. "This  guy is better than Little Walter!" I thought. Obviously, 
even Pat would  disagree with that - but as a kid of 18 who was just starting 
to explore the  blues and blues harp, I became a Pat disciple. After a song 
or two (I remember  he dedicated "Crossroads" to Butterfield, who had just 
died), Pat said they  were from Tallahassee -- where I was headed off to for 
college! I don't  remember a thing about Johnny Winter's show that night .... after 
The Pat  Raamsey Band, nothing else mattered.

Starting that fall when I arrived  at FSU as a freshman, I must have seen Pat 
and his band dozens of times. It's  funny, but for all the ferocious power 
that he brought to amplified harp, I  have two very different memories, crystal 
recollections of Pat making  gorgeous, pretty music that made the hair on my 
neck stand up. Once was at a  jam session when he sang "People Get Ready" with 
Pam Laws, a gospel/jazz  singer and Tallahassee legend. The other time was 
once when Steve Howell  busted the head on his bass drum. While Steve was fixing 
it, Pat sang a blew  some solo harp - I can't remember which song, but it was 
a Sonny Boy II tune  and it was so perfect and in the pocket. Classic. During 
those years in  Tallahassee, I got a few chances to speak to Pat, but honestly 
I was so  star-struck I don't think I ever really got out more than, "Uhh, 
you're great,  man." I later learned that, during that era, he probably didn't 
have much to  say either, for reasons all his own.

Fastforward a decade or more and  I'm sitting in a blues bar in West Palm 
Beach, FL waiting for an open mic jam  to start. A bunch of us are at the bar 
talking about unsung harp players, guys  more people should know. At the same 
time, me and some skinny kid next to me  said "PAT RAMSEY!" That kid was Jason 
Ricci, who later went on to become my  friend and teacher. Through Jason, I 
eventually met Pat and got to spend some  time speaking with him. On my desk right 
now is the CD I had Pat autograph,  plus my copy of "White, Hot & Blue." For 
more than 20 years now I don't  think I've gone a week without thinking about 
Pat's music. As a harp player  he's the guy I keep coming back to. I read once 
where baby zebras get the  visual impression of their mother's stripes and 
they never forget that  pattern, it's how they find home after they've wandered 
about in the herd.  Well, Pat's blues - his blues with a feeling - is that 
ingrained in me, it's  like those those zebra stripes.

Thanks for everything, Pat. Say hi to  Duane and  Jimi.

MN

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Message:  2
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:29:15 -0800 (PST)
From: "Dave Payne, Elk  River Harmonicas" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L]  rest in peace, Mr. Ramsey
To: Harp L Harp L  <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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http://www.newsandsentinel.com/page/blogs.detail/display/451.html
_________________________________
Dave  Payne Sr. 
Elk River Harmonicas
www.elkriverharmonicas.com  



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Message: 3
Date: Tue,  18 Nov 2008 15:11:23 -0500
From: "John Balding"  <John.Balding@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [Harp-L] Re: Pat  Ramsey
To: "fjm" <bad_hat@xxxxxxxx>, "h-l"  <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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fjm wrote: "Anybody of  a certain age played that version of Honest I do
over and over  again."

My wife and I live in Tallahassee. Pat's son Clyde is a great  friend of
mine, as was his dad.

My wife and I owned a pastry shop  for years and we made the cake for
Clyde and Carly's wedding. Pat and his  guitarist came to the wedding and
played "Honest I Do". Just Pat, his harp  and that National guitar under
the gazebo on a beautiful day in a shady  park surrounded by flowers,
friends and love.

Of all the times I  have ever heard that song, I finally "heard" it that
day.

That's how  I will always remember Pat Ramsey and Honest I Do.

John  Balding
Tallahassee,  FL



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Message: 4
Date:  Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:44:13 -0500 (EST)
From:  <venkyr@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Charlie Musslewhite
To: Tom  Halchak <thalchak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:  <20081118154413.BIN78614@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=us-ascii

SPAH did him the honors at this years  events in St. Louis, Mo. Check out 
Charlie's new album- ROUGH DRIED- has some  old, some new but new (twists) 
nonetheless.
www.myspace.com/harpdad  


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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 18  Nov 2008 16:38:45 -0500
From: Jonathan Ross  <jross38@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] re: history
To:  harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:  <D4A48628-DBF7-44D1-A89D-105C4784698D@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Dave Payne  writes:

"John Ross"

It's Jon, as I mentioned  previously.


"You wrote about a Mr. "Bauschman"
I want to know  who that is. So I asked you who he was.
You dismiss it as: "A misspelling  of Buschmann.""

Exactly, you asked, I answered.  Honestly and  directly: I made a  
mistake, I spelled the name wrong because I  didn't bother to look it up.

What you did was make a factual claim  here:

"I've heard folks say he invented the Richter, but it was  probably  
his brother Joseph."

Which you have since recanted  claiming to have never actually  
believed what you wrote.  The  difference in terms of honest and  
accurate study of history couldn't  be greater.  Your actions have at  
least two explanations.   First, if your claim to have not believed in  
the Richter invention  hypothesis is true, then you were making a  
false statement in the  sentence I quoted above, perpetuating a myth  
which you know to be at  best questionable in accuracy.  That is not  
something an  historian should do, at least not without pointing out  
the mythical  nature of the claim.  If, as I think is far more likely  
the  case based on your actions in this thread (continually dismissing  
me  for even deigning to point out the problems with this factual   
claim), you honestly believed that a Joseph Richter invented the  form  
when you wrote that, then now that you see that this position  is  
questionable at best you are lying to try and save face.   That is the  
exact opposite of what I did.  An historian who  does that has no  
credibility whatsoever.

The difference  between our actions in this matter really couldn't be  
more stark a  contrast.

And for the now probably bored harp-l audience, these  differences do  
matter.  They go to the heart of honesty in  academic and intellectual  
studies.  If the history of the  harmonica is important, than the  
practice of how it is presented and  how it is studied is equally  
important.  And it must be done  with the highest standards, nothing  
less.  That doesn't mean  pedantically footnoting everything one  
writes on harp-l--this isn't  a scholarly journal and those standards  
don't apply.  But  rather, it means being willing to be challenged on  
statements and to  deal with these on their face when they come up,  
either by giving  sources, reasons for suppositions or the like.   
Perhaps most  importantly, it means being able and willing to freely  
and easily  admit to being wrong when one makes a mistake.

As for the stuff on  nationalism and it's impact on the study of  
history,  I am  simply shocked that you didn't deal with these issues  
in classes on  historiography when in school. These aren't esoteric  
concepts at  all.




()()    JR "Bulldogge"  Ross
()   ()
`----'





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Message:  6
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:49:29 -0800
From: "Michael Polesky, MPA"  <m.polesky@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Charlie  Musslewhite
To: "Tom Halchak" <thalchak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,  <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:  <9FC35E4D2CE04C49BF058E246877C8CF@SherriPC>
Content-Type: text/plain;  format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
reply-type=original

Hi All,

----- Original Message -----  
From: "Tom Halchak" <thalchak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

> I simply  cannot get enough of "The Harmonica According
> to Charlie  Musselwhite".  To me, it is the cleanest, tightest sound I have
>  ever heard come out of a harmonica.  That's just my opinion mind  you.  To
> those of you who have a more refined ear, am I wrong? I  am curious about 
> why
> he doesn't get more play,  conversationally speaking.  I see his name
> mentioned in passing,  almost as an afterthought, but rarely do I see the
> kind of praise for  his music like I see regarding others. It seems to me
> that he might  be, dare I say, persona non grata for some unknown reason. 
> Am
>  I wrong?  Just curious.

While I have often said that I never heard  any harp recordings until I had 
been playing harp for 20 years, someone  bought me a recording of Charlie 
Musselwhite's "The Harmonica According to  Charlie Musselwhite" when I was in 
college.  I have been salivating  over this recording for more than 20 years 
hence.  It is truly one of  the greatest recordings of all time - and I am a 
chromatic guy  ;-).

The reason you don't hear that much about Charlie on this list is  because 
the is no argument there!  Everyone knows he is  incredible.  Also, he really 
does get mentioned, with great  reverence, all the time in passing.  He is 
always close in our  hearts.

One interesting note about this album is that you would be  surprised how 
little an effect gear had to do with it.  When you are  sitting in a room 
with Charlie and he pulls out his harp he sounds just  like that.  It's not 
that there isn't a difference, rather that the  difference is smaller than 
you could possibly imagine.  When Charlie  plays a note in front of you, your 
spine starts to shiver!!

Michael  




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Message: 7
Date:  Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:57:18 -0500
From: "Dan Berger"  <dberger1@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] Charlie  Musslewhite
To: <IcemanLE@xxxxxxx>,  <thalchak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:  <008501c949c8$a0431ed0$6501a8c0@owner850e13ead>
Content-Type:  text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Musslewhite was on the "Wicked Grin" CD by
John  Hammond a couple of years ago. He's only plays
on a couple of songs but  sounds great.

The CD is all Tom Waits tunes and was produced by him, it  has a really 
sparse, cool, sound.


Dan  



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Message: 8
Date: Tue,  18 Nov 2008 14:31:23 -0800 (PST)
From: "Dave Payne, Elk River Harmonicas"  <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] re:  history
To: Harp L Harp L <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:  <571373.38319.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

This thread should have  been taken offlist long ago, but you refuse to 
communicate  offlist, where there is no audience to whom you may showcase your  
high-school debating skills. 

So, I must respond to you calling me an  outright liar onlist: In West 
Virginia, calling somebody a liar,  especially as you just did, is the most heinous 
of offences and it is  certainly something one would only dare do from 
thousands of miles away via  Internet ether.  You would never say that to my face. 

Yet,  considering all that, I sit here not succombing to the fiery passions 
of  unbridled, medieval anger right now as I should be. 

I  am simply bored out of my skull.  


_________________________________
Dave Payne Sr. 
Elk River  Harmonicas
www.elkriverharmonicas.com



----- Original Message  ----
From: Jonathan Ross <jross38@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To:  harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:38:45 PM
Subject:  [Harp-L] re: history

Dave Payne writes:

"John Ross"

It's  Jon, as I mentioned previously.


"You wrote about a Mr.  "Bauschman"
I want to know who that is. So I asked you who he was.
You  dismiss it as: "A misspelling of Buschmann.""

Exactly, you asked, I  answered.  Honestly and directly: I made a  
mistake, I spelled  the name wrong because I didn't bother to look it up.

What you did was  make a factual claim here:

"I've heard folks say he invented the  Richter, but it was probably  
his brother Joseph."

Which you  have since recanted claiming to have never actually  
believed what  you wrote.  The difference in terms of honest and  
accurate  study of history couldn't be greater.  Your actions have at   
least two explanations.  First, if your claim to have not believed  in  
the Richter invention hypothesis is true, then you were making  a  
false statement in the sentence I quoted above, perpetuating a  myth  
which you know to be at best questionable in accuracy.   That is not  
something an historian should do, at least not without  pointing out  
the mythical nature of the claim.  If, as I think  is far more likely  
the case based on your actions in this thread  (continually dismissing  
me for even deigning to point out the  problems with this factual  
claim), you honestly believed that a  Joseph Richter invented the form  
when you wrote that, then now that  you see that this position is  
questionable at best you are lying to  try and save face.  That is the  
exact opposite of what I  did.  An historian who does that has no  
credibility  whatsoever.

The difference between our actions in this matter really  couldn't be  
more stark a contrast.

And for the now probably  bored harp-l audience, these differences do  
matter.  They go to  the heart of honesty in academic and intellectual  
studies.  If  the history of the harmonica is important, than the  
practice of how  it is presented and how it is studied is equally  
important.   And it must be done with the highest standards, nothing  
less.   That doesn't mean pedantically footnoting everything one  
writes on  harp-l--this isn't a scholarly journal and those standards  
don't  apply.  But rather, it means being willing to be challenged on   
statements and to deal with these on their face when they come up,   
either by giving sources, reasons for suppositions or the like.   
Perhaps most importantly, it means being able and willing to freely   
and easily admit to being wrong when one makes a mistake.

As for  the stuff on nationalism and it's impact on the study of   
history,  I am simply shocked that you didn't deal with these  issues  
in classes on historiography when in school. These aren't  esoteric  
concepts at all.




()()   JR "Bulldogge" Ross
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Message:  9
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:35:17 -0500
From: "James"  <wasabileo@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Harp-L] R.I.P. Pat Ramsey
To:  <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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I have just been  informed that Pat Ramsey has passed away. He will be 
missed. A great blues  harp player, singer and entertainer. He was a major influence 
on Jason Ricci.  
http://www.patramsey.com/



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Message:  10
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:52:14 -0800
From: "Arthur Jennings"  <timeistight@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] re: history
To:  "Dave Payne, Elk River Harmonicas"  <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Harp L Harp L"  <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
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On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Dave  Payne, Elk River Harmonicas <
dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  wrote:

>
> I am simply bored out of my  skull.
>
>
You're not the only one, Dave.

-- 
Arthur  Jennings
http://www.timeistight.com


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Message:  11
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:03:57 -0500
From: "Roscoe Catania"  <rjcataniajr@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Harp-L] re: history
To:  "Dave Payne, Elk River Harmonicas" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc:  Harp L Harp L <harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<6509ce5c0811181503m2b65871bs4acd52001a0e31c7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

*"Me too"
...now its time to sharpen  my quantum theories
Uncle Roscoe
*
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:31 PM,  Dave Payne, Elk River Harmonicas <
dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  wrote:

> This thread should have been taken offlist long ago, but  you refuse to
> communicate offlist, where there is no audience to whom  you may showcase
> your high-school debating skills.
>
> So,  I must respond to you calling me an outright liar onlist: In West
>  Virginia, calling somebody a liar, especially as you just did, is the  most
> heinous of offences and it is certainly something one would only  dare do
> from thousands of miles away via Internet ether.  You  would never say that
> to my face.
>
> Yet, considering all  that, I sit here not succombing to the fiery passions
> of unbridled,  medieval anger right now as I should be.
>
> I am simply bored out  of my skull.
>
>
> _________________________________
>  Dave Payne Sr.
> Elk River Harmonicas
>  www.elkriverharmonicas.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original  Message ----
> From: Jonathan Ross <jross38@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>  To: harp-l@xxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:38:45  PM
> Subject: [Harp-L] re: history
>
> Dave Payne  writes:
>
> "John Ross"
>
> It's Jon, as I mentioned  previously.
>
>
> "You wrote about a Mr. "Bauschman"
>  I want to know who that is. So I asked you who he was.
> You dismiss it  as: "A misspelling of Buschmann.""
>
> Exactly, you asked, I  answered.  Honestly and directly: I made a
> mistake, I spelled the  name wrong because I didn't bother to look it up.
>
> What you did  was make a factual claim here:
>
> "I've heard folks say he  invented the Richter, but it was probably
> his brother  Joseph."
>
> Which you have since recanted claiming to have never  actually
> believed what you wrote.  The difference in terms of  honest and
> accurate study of history couldn't be greater.  Your  actions have at
> least two explanations.  First, if your claim to  have not believed in
> the Richter invention hypothesis is true, then  you were making a
> false statement in the sentence I quoted above,  perpetuating a myth
> which you know to be at best questionable in  accuracy.  That is not
> something an historian should do, at least  not without pointing out
> the mythical nature of the claim.  If,  as I think is far more likely
> the case based on your actions in this  thread (continually dismissing
> me for even deigning to point out the  problems with this factual
> claim), you honestly believed that a Joseph  Richter invented the form
> when you wrote that, then now that you see  that this position is
> questionable at best you are lying to try and  save face.  That is the
> exact opposite of what I did.  An  historian who does that has no
> credibility whatsoever.
>
>  The difference between our actions in this matter really couldn't be
>  more stark a contrast.
>
> And for the now probably bored harp-l  audience, these differences do
> matter.  They go to the heart of  honesty in academic and intellectual
> studies.  If the history of  the harmonica is important, than the
> practice of how it is presented  and how it is studied is equally
> important.  And it must be done  with the highest standards, nothing
> less.  That doesn't mean  pedantically footnoting everything one
> writes on harp-l--this isn't a  scholarly journal and those standards
> don't apply.  But rather,  it means being willing to be challenged on
> statements and to deal with  these on their face when they come up,
> either by giving sources,  reasons for suppositions or the like.
> Perhaps most importantly, it  means being able and willing to freely
> and easily admit to being wrong  when one makes a mistake.
>
> As for the stuff on nationalism and  it's impact on the study of
> history,  I am simply shocked that  you didn't deal with these issues
> in classes on historiography when in  school. These aren't esoteric
> concepts at  all.
>
>
>
>
>   ()()    JR  "Bulldogge" Ross
> ()  ()
>  `----'
>
>
>
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>
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